My Response To An Angry Sikh

My Response To An Angry Sikh

        Several days ago I recieved a comment by an angry Sikh who was mad about my article about Sikhism and my temple experience in Los Angeles with a group of them there. The person went by the name “onlypath” and wrote me an angry leter accusing Christianity and my intentions of why I visited a Sikh Gurdwara. His letter is quoted and my response is underneath in italics. Here it is:                  

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         *Yes he wrote that to me, and I have no clue what the heck he was trying to do.

How “Christian” of you to go to a Sikh Gurdwara accept their hospitality, accept their love  and friendship, accept their trust in you, spend the night there, eat their food and make polite chat with them but all the time your mind was false, you intensions we dishonorable and your actions were deceitful. So you believe we are in a “Satanic” grasp and we are a false religion, I say that a religion is false that has to use underhand tactics and deceitful acts to try to draw in people.”

       First of all, nothing we did in my class was dishonorable or deceitful. My professor arranged a meeting with the open minded Sikhs who enjoyed having us over. Everyone knew we were evangelical Christians and were not going to convert to Sikhism. The point was for us to learn about a culture and religion that was different from our own. The Sikhs also got to learn from us as well, and they enjoyed giving us hospitality! Isn’t it part of your religion that you MUST give a traveler or anyone who passes through a Gurdwara hospitality? From my understanding no matter what, Sikhs are to give food and shelter to people. In this case we were not just passing by but were INVITED by the chief of the temple to sleep over night in their Hollywood Gurdwara and share meals and have great discussions. They used this for an opportunity to teach us their religion and witness their god to us. They had every chance to convert us if we would believe. When we showed up all we did was ask questions in a non-judgmental way and the leaders of the temple answered them to the best of their ability. None us of presented the gospel of Christ or even tried to convert anyone. All we did was listen. Nothing was deceitful and you should be ashamed for saying such a thing because it will only keep open minded individuals from experiencing your religion. In no way did we draw any Sikh into our religion at all. If anything the students in my class could have been drawn to yours.

        The Sikhs at both temple locations gave us all kinds of respect and were extremely nice to us. I have nothing but the utmost respect for these Sikhs and enjoyed our conversations.

“Tell me, you believe in the bible, yet this form was created by politicians at the council Nicea two hundred years after the death of Jesus. There is theNew Worldedition, the King James edition, there is a feminine edition, it has been manipulated to much where is the truth ? Where is the original? You read a translated version anyway what about lost-in-translation? Why was the gospels of Mary, Judas and others left out ? You do not even follow the faith of Jesus, for Jesus said that the soul comes from God and will ultimately return to God. You follow the religion as set out bySt Paulwhich is wholly different to what Jesus preached, so my friend who is following a false religion?”

        Sorry, but God’s Word was not created 200 years after Jesus. Maybe there was the council of Nicea that RE-AFFIRMED the Bible as complete which already existed before that council, but I assure you nothing was left out of the Bible. The gospels of Judas and Mary were never even allowed in the Bible to begin with. They teach wholly contradictory things that the Bible does not. For more information please see my page called “Doctrinal Statement on Scripture” so you can better understand what constitutes as the Bible and why. Also, the Bible first began milleniums ago and was written down and more books were added as God revealed His teachings up until it was completed near 70AD. The latest biblical Scripture was written about 650 years before Islam, which was written hundreds of years before the Sikh collection of books you worship.

        Do Sikhs read a translated version of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji? How many times has it been translated into other languages, especially English so Americans can understand it? Is that a sin? Also, from my understanding Sikhs burn old copies of the Guru that are damaged, old and unusable, and more. So where are your ancient manuscripts to prove that your Guru has been translated correctly without any mistakes? How old is the oldest manuscript you have transcribed into your book? How does it differ from other religions that possibly used some of the same texts? The truth is, there is not enough archeological evidence to suggest your book was transcribed corretly without any mistakes. On the other hand, there is a multitude of archeological evidence that suggests the Bible has been written perfectly without any mistakes. We have thousands of New Testament copies from ancient times not more than 100 years after Christ’s death. How old is the oldest Guru Granth Sahib Ji? Oh wait, you probably burnt it. There is no evidence. Also, we have found the Dead Sea Scrolls that prove the Old Testament has been transcribed correctly. Research this. So your claim that the Bible has mistakes in its translation is rediculus.

        On the topic of different translations of the Bible, some are heretical and wrong, but most are not. Even so, we still have ancient texts to look back on to know the truth. We can tell the difference between the newly recent heretical bibles and the true Bibles. Most English translations are just different modern language translations from the Old English language we don’t speak anymore. But all of the English translations (minus a select few heretical versions: feminine translation, the Message, New World Translation, Lamsa etc.) say the same thing! It’s just different ways to say the same thing in English.

        What part of the Bible are you referring to where Jesus said, “The soul comes from God and will ultimately return to God?” I am not sure what Bible you were reading. The soul was CREATED by God and when we die we will return to God and be judged (Hebrews 9:27). But that is not to say our souls join with God. That is not in the Bible, but comes from Sikhism.

        Also, where did you get the idea that Paul teaches something else from Jesus? Can you explain where in the letters of Paul he contradicted Jesus and was teaching another way? Because if you actually read the Bible you would see that Paul actually teaches the same thing as Jesus Christ. 

        Another issue about the translation of the Guru Granth is that the hymns inside the book are written in several different languages. Or they originally were. The languages are Persian, Marathi, Medieval Prakrit, Hindi, Marathi, Multani, Old Punjab, and a lot of other local dialects. Also there are Sanskrit and Arabic portions. This causes your holy book to be extremely difficult to translate. If anyone has translation errors it must be your book and not the Bible. The Christian Bible was written simply in 3 languages: Hebrew (practically the entire Old testament), Aramaic (in very small portions), and Koine Greek (Entire New Testament). Plus you burned your old copies.

“God is all loving, all forgiving and all embracing, He created everything and nothing opposes Him. We are separated from Him due to our own actions, that is what has put a distance between us and Him. To get to Him we need to love Him as a father , and Him alone, not a three way tie of father, son and ghost, but HIM alone for there is no one else. He resides in us all and out of us all, He is unfathomable and we will merge into Him with His grace. There is no spirituality in Christianity, you eat everything, drink everything and make merry and then expect to be saved by Jesus. Well, Jesus is looking down on you and he does not like what he sees as a cult built up around him, he had tried to show you the way to God but instead you have made him your God.”

        I agree that God is all loving, all forgiving and all embracing. God loves and gives grace to His people. But on the other hand God is full of justice and punishes evil. Do you believe that God brings justice? Do you believe in justice? Didn’t Sikhs constantly fight the Muslims in India with mortal combat to free the land from Islamic persecution? Sikhs even have their own martial arts as a part of their religion. Sikhs carry a knife everywhere they go as part of their faith. It is a necessity to carry it. The symbol of your religion is a weapon (the Gatka). To me, that screams, “JUSTICE SHOULD BE SERVED! AND WE WILL FIGHT FOR IT!” Sikhs believe in justice and even killing enemies to protect their people. Sikhs are some of the greatest soldiers and fought in many wars, even the British hired them as military units in their colonies. Well, you can be assured that God is full of justice and brings wrath on evil. The problem is that Sikh’s don’t believe in evil but believe in simply “bad things” which are not evil just different. Sikhs contradict their own teachings that God is all loving and evil does not exist when they believe in fighting to kill enemies who oppose them.

        When you say we are separated from God due to our own actions, that is true. The problem is that you have a misunderstanding and don’t call the actions sin. You just call them “not the best” behavior. Evil is the reason humans are rejected by God and separated. If Sikh’s don’t believe in evil and actually think if it does exist (which you don’t call sin or evil but “bad things”) then God created it; so then there is a problem with your logic. The Sikh God tolerates evil or “bad behavior” and even creates it. The Christian God is 100% holy and pure without evil. The God of the Bible does not create evil and also distinguishes between sin and righteousness. Along with God’s justice this sin WILL be punished. This is why Hell exists. Such horrible evil which is against God who is eternal deserves an equally holy and eternal punishment. When you commit a crime a human judge will judge you according to the law. Well likewise, God will judge you according to His Eternal Law. Sin must be punished with bloodshed. The great news that gives us hope is that Jesus Christ died on a cross 2,000 years ago and took the punishment for our sins in death, and killed sin for Christians in the flesh of His own body. Now that is true love! Now we have a way to be given righteousness. It is a gift and not something that can be earned.

        Sikh’s on the other hand believe that you must EARN righteousness and be good, that humans can be good. Well the Bible in Romans 3 says, “NO ONE IS GOOD! NOT EVEN ONE!” Yet, Sikhs try tirelessly with no gain trying to be righteous. They have so many rules and laws: can’t cut your hair, must eat certain foods, cannot judge, must go to Gurdwara and worship Guru, put the book to bed and wake it up each morning, wear a turban, carry a knife, practice meditation, cover your hair with a turban or cloth when reading the Guru, must not eat meat or drink alcohol, and many others! What is interesting about this is that Sikhism was created in the 15th century to the fight legalism of Hindu rituals and Islam fundamentalism. Yet they just took out a lot legalism and replaced them with their own.

        You have said that we can only get to God by His grace, yet everything Sikhs believe is not grace, but simply something earned. Grace is not something you earn, grace is grace, not earnable and is a free gift. For that is what the word grace means! Paying and working hard to earn favor is nothing even close to grace. And as a human you have to be honest with yourself that you are not a perfect person and are full of sins. How many times have you lied? Lusted after a woman? Hated someone? Stolen something? You cannot possibly earn holiness. Also, you believe in reincarnation and karma. How can you do enough good for thousands of lifetimes of sin and pay for them to earn heaven? It is impossible! How many people have obtained god? 11 Gurus? Out of the entire history? Also, every other race is not a Sikh nor are they Punjabi and did not spend their life following Sikhism so what hope do they have? They must wait and HOPE to be reincarnated as an Indian Sikh so they can get to God? This is racism my friend.

        In addition, you have a misunderstanding of the nature of the triune God. The Bible explains that God is ONE BEING, but exists in three distinct persons. This is not 3 gods, but ONE GOD. Jesus Christ is fully 100% God so we worship Him just as the Father and Holy Spirit are both 100% God. God is one in Christianity so research this.

        Now about how we drink everything and eat everything. What you are describing is self-righteousness. You boast in your accomplishments and the way you follow rules and judge everyone else who does not follow. You act as if you are perfect and good when deep inside you know if reincarnation is true you won’t obtain it. You are imperfect and a sinner. You are not holy or righteous and need a Savior. Jesus Christ taught that He is the Savior and we must repent and admit our guilt and we will be given grace freely and enter heaven. Then we are given a life change that desires to obey God. We are not God and do not merge with God. We simply get to be with God in heaven. God created everything, but everything is not God; it is separate. Your problem is a misunderstanding of who God is and what He is. You cannot become God!

“Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the living word of God, the word has been revealed to the Sikhs and as such we give it the utmost respect. Can you say the same about the bible? I remember at school the kids used to keep the bible in their desks, along with their training shoes and games kit, is this the sort of respect you have for your , allegedly, word of God? There is no Buddha teaching or Baghvand teachings in Guru Granth Sahib Ji only the compositions as revealed to those enlightened souls who God bestowed such blessing. Every shabad/hymn or composition in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji is a revelation about God and how to unite with Him. There is no vengeful God here, no jealous God here, no wrathful God here, just the true God, God of all , God of love , please I implore you, give up your ways, they will not get you anywhere, you follow Jesus but he can only get you to the level which he attained, that of heaven, but heaven is quite a low level and there is a greater journey then that to merge with the Almighty. You heaven is only temporary I am afraid, so please join with me.”

        You give your holy book so much respect that you wave a feather over it, put it to bed and wake it up each morning. You worship paper and binding on a fancy large book. How can that be God? Also, if God is everything and we merge with God how is that book special? What kind of god sleeps and has to rest? And can only sleep or rest by humans giving effort to sing it to sleep, carry it and put it in a bed, and cover it with sheets! The Christian God is omniscient, omnipresent, and omnipotent. He does not sleep nor does He need to rest. He knows all things, all the time, eternally. The Christian God of the Bible is more powerful that your god of the Guru Granth.

        Christians do not worship pages in a book, or any physical book as God. The Bible is simply a text we use to study about God who is completely separate from material things. He created everything. Your self-righteous protection of a material book, whom you also burn if they get old, keeps you from understanding the true nature of God. You have limited God to pages and script bound together. It is awfully silly. I wonder why you as a Sikh went to a Christian school.

        You said there is no Buddha teachings or Bhagavad gita teachings in your book. Well aren’t some of your hymns Sanskrit or Hindi? Don’t you teach reincarnation and karma? Those religions do too. Also, the chief of the temple told me some of the parts of the Guru contain a few Hindu and Buddhist writings as well as some Islamic ones. If he is wrong you should inform him.

        Don’t Sikhs believe that the cycle of reincarnation is infinite and that when you do get to God it will eventually start over again anyway? Jesus Christ was God and we cannot become God, or on His level of perfection. Christ gives us the way to God beause He is God and we are forgiven for our sins through repentance and faith. This is the only way. The true God is a God that is just, the Sikh god is not just and allows sinful humans to earn merit and be with him. Also, Sikhs are supposed to be non-judgmental, but all you did was judge me and tell me how bad and nasty I was.

        Nothing that happened in the Sikh temple was deceitful or underhanded. It was a great experience and I enjoyed sleeping there and eating the wonderful vegetarian food. The point is, I am true to my faith that says sinners will go to hell. All other religions are not true and keep people dead in their sins and they will go to hell. Satan creates false religions to keep humans in bondage away from God. If you are open minded you should accept my beliefs and let it go. In America we have freedom of religion, not freedom from religious discussions. You should not care that much about criticism of your faith since you believe in reincarnation anyway. There is no hell and we all get billions of chances to be reincarnated and do it right according to you. There is also no evil, correct? So then it should not matter if I say your religion is Satanic. God will just reincarnate me as something low and I can work my way up. The problem is that my original article about my Gurdwara experience convicted you and upset you. This is because the truth is only found through the Bible and the loving God of the universe who gives REAL GRACE, not acceptance of human merit, also is a God of justice because He is holy. So I am sorry, I cannot join with you.

       The point is that I hope you will repent of your sins and know the true God who administers justice and also shows infinite love to His children (those who believe) who is found only in the Bible. I have nothing but love for Siks and I hope all Sikhs come to saving grace in Jesus Christ the Lord. Christianity is not about being better than Sikhs, and I cannot force you to believe in my God, but only through the Holy Spirit can you be convicted of your sins and repent.

 

 

30 thoughts on “My Response To An Angry Sikh

  1. >>> You make think I am angry, I am not. I am just a little sad at your underhandedness.

    First of all, nothing we did in my class was dishonorable or deceitful. My professor arranged a meeting with the open minded Sikhs who enjoyed having us over. Everyone knew we were evangelical Christians and were not going to convert to Sikhism. The point was for us to learn about a culture and religion that was different from our own.
    >>>I think it is most deceitful. You went there not with an open heart as you tried to convey to the people there but with a hidden agenda. But I will not labor the point.

    Sorry, but God’s Word was not created 200 years after Jesus. Maybe there was the council of Nicea that RE-AFFIRMED the Bible as complete which already existed before that council, but I assure you nothing was left out of the Bible.
    >>>I think you are need to read up my friend. Before the council of Nicea Jesus was not even throught of as divine. It is only from this point that Jesus is made divine and you start following Jesus rather than God. You say “maybe” there was a council, this was the biggest thing that happened after Jesus where church leaders, priests, politicians came together and hammered out what the bible was going to look like, it is here that Jesus’ divinity is created, it is here where it is decided which gospels to include and which to leave out.

    The gospels of Judas and Mary were never even allowed in the Bible to begin with.
    >>>gain I thing you need to do a little research. It was at this council that the people with their own agendas and prejudices decided what was going to be included in the bible. Things were left out and things were included according to who had the biggest clout, so basically man made.

    Also, the Bible first began milleniums ago and was written down and more books were added as God revealed His teachings up until it was completed near 70AD. The latest biblical Scripture was written about 650 years before Islam, which was written hundreds of years before the Sikh collection of books you worship.
    >>>Strange isn’t it that you give so much importance to Jesus, yet he wrote not one word in the bible. This was left to others. The gospels cannot even agree on significant events.
    Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
    (a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
    (b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)
    How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
    (a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
    (b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
    How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
    (a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
    (b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)
    Jesus descended from which son of David?
    (a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
    (b) Nathan(Luke3:31)

    >>>I could go on as there are many points like this, but alas I am sure you have an answer for all of them!

    Do Sikhs read a translated version of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji?
    >>>Guru Granth sahib Ji was written in Gurmukhi script throughout and it has stayed this way from the very start. We recite it as it was revealed by God, not a word has been added not a word has been taken out, it is as it was and always will be , you cannot say the same for the bible.

    How many times has it been translated into other languages, especially English so Americans can understand it?
    >>>It has been translated into English or course so that you can understand it, BUT when recited we recite the original. You on the other had recite a translated version all the time. Translated by humans each with their own take on things, not good my friend, not good.

    Also, from my understanding Sikhs burn old copies of the Guru that are damaged, old and unusable, and more. So where are your ancient manuscripts to prove that your Guru has been translated correctly without any mistakes?
    >>>A little knowledge is a dangerous thing my friend, Old versions of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji are preserved and kept in Gurdwaras in India. We have historical versions and documents from the very beginning, all are preserved. What you are referring to is when a Guru Granth Sahib Ji has become worn, to place it in flames for us is more respectful then leaving it to gather dust or to throw away, same with prayer books, as I say no historical documents are disposed off. We have the original hand written Guru Granth Sahib Ji in a place called Kartarpur fully preserved, can you say the same about the bible ?

    How old is the oldest manuscript you have transcribed into your book? How does it differ from other religions that possibly used some of the same texts? The truth is, there is not enough archeological evidence to suggest your book was transcribed corretly without any mistakes.
    >>>Our manuscripts date from the beginning of the faith, no important documentation has been destroyed. We have THE have original Guru Granth Sahib Ji at a place called Kartarpur. CAN YOU SAME THE SAME ABOUT THE BIBLE?

    On the other hand, there is a multitude of archeological evidence that suggests the Bible has been written perfectly without any mistakes.
    >>>You may kid yourself by friend but I doubt it. There have been so many different versions, so many different translations that if there was any truth it has been lost. As I have pointed out earlier it is riddled with inconsistencies, the gospels cannot even agree on how many times the crow crowed before Jesus was captured at the end of his life!

    Another issue about the translation of the Guru Granth is that the hymns inside the book are written in several different languages. Or they originally were. The languages are Persian, Marathi, Medieval Prakrit, Hindi, Marathi, Multani, Old Punjab, and a lot of other local dialects. Also there are Sanskrit and Arabic portions. This causes your holy book to be extremely difficult to translate.
    >>>Says who? You say it is difficult you translate? On what authority? Again you seem to think you are an expert on things you know nothing about. The script used in Guru Granth Sahib Ji is Gurmukhi and it is used throughout. Yes different languages are used, so what? Persion is still a living language, so it Hindi, Marahathi, Punjabi. Sanskrit is used but there are many many scholars who are well versed in it, so your notion is completely wrong, it is not difficult to translate at all. On the other hand the only version of the bible you all use is in English, was it originally written in English ? If not then how do you know that what you are reading is a correct translation? Why would you want to read a translation anyway? We recite the original compositions as they were revealed, do you ???

    If anyone has translation errors it must be your book and not the Bible. The Christian Bible was written simply in 3 languages: Hebrew (practically the entire Old testament), Aramaic (in very small portions), and Koine Greek (Entire New Testament).
    >>>Yet you read it in English, the whole essence is lost in translation.

    Didn’t Sikhs constantly fight the Muslims in India with mortal combat to free the land from Islamic persecution? Sikhs even have their own martial arts as a part of their religion. Sikhs carry a knife everywhere they go as part of their faith. It is a necessity to carry it. The symbol of your religion is a weapon (the Gatka). To me, that screams, “JUSTICE SHOULD BE SERVED! AND WE WILL FIGHT FOR IT!”
    >>>Firstly it is not called a knife, it is a Kirpan. It was given to us by our Guru to defend ourselves and to defend others. It is not an offensive weapon. It is used for protection for the poor and needy. When the Moghals invaded it was the Sikhs who defended the honor of the female population. Yet Jesus told you to turn the other cheek and that the meet shall inherit the Earth and under the crusades you committed the most terrible atrocities, in the name of Jesus.

    The problem is that Sikh’s don’t believe in evil but believe in simply “bad things” which are not evil just different.
    >>>I do not know where you get this notion. There is evil in this world, and it is manmade, mostly by people who regard themselves to be superior or those who think they alone hold the secret.
    Sikhs contradict their own teachings that God is all loving and evil does not exist when they believe in fighting to kill enemies who oppose them.
    >>>I think you need to do a little research here, you are talking gibberish. As I have said Sikhs know there is evil in the world.

    When you say we are separated from God due to our own actions, that is true. The problem is that you have a misunderstanding and don’t call the actions sin.
    >>>Again you have no idea of what we believe. We believe that man can commit sin. The word for sin is “paap”. We are “paapi”, we are sinners, we commit sin, where you get you misinformation from I do not know.
    Here is a quote from Guru Granth Sahib Ji :
    One who lives righteously is known as righteous; one who commits sins is known as a sinner.
    You Yourself enact the entire play, O Creator. Why should we speak of any other?
    As long as Your Light is within the body, You speak through that Light. Without Your Light, who can do anything? Show me any such cleverness!
    O Nanak, the Lord alone is Perfect and All-knowing; He is revealed to the Gurmukh. ||2||

    Here is a quote on evil:
    Siree Raag, First Mehla, Third House:
    Make this body the field, and plant the seed of good actions. Water it with the Name of the Lord, who holds all the world in His Hands.
    Let your mind be the farmer; the Lord shall sprout in your heart, and you shall attain the state of Nirvaanaa. ||1||
    You fool! Why are you so proud of Maya?
    Father, children, spouse, mother and all relatives-they shall not be your helpers in the end. ||Pause||
    So weed out evil, wickedness and corruption; leave these behind, and let your soul meditate on God.
    When chanting, austere meditation and self-discipline become your protectors, then the lotus blossoms forth, and the honey trickles out. ||2||

    You just call them “not the best” behavior.
    >>>You seem to have a very simplistic view here, and it is completely wrong.

    Evil is the reason humans are rejected by God and separated. If Sikh’s don’t believe in evil and actually think if it does exist (which you don’t call sin or evil but “bad things”) then God created it; so then there is a problem with your logic.
    >>>You misunderstand. There is sin. If a man commits murder then he has sinned, God did not create this, the man did and for this he will have to pay. Where we fundamentally disagree upon is that Sikhs believe that man is essentially good and he is trying to return to his maker. Where as you believe man is originally a sinner which is incorrect.

    The Sikh God tolerates evil or “bad behavior” and even creates it. The Christian God is 100% holy and pure without evil.
    >>>I think you have a fundamental flaw here my friend, there is no Sikh God, there is no Christian God, there is only one God it is how we perceive him that is different. You really need to get away from this childish notion of a “Christian” God.

    The great news that gives us hope is that Jesus Christ died on a cross 2,000 years ago and took the punishment for our sins in death, and killed sin for Christians in the flesh of His own body. Now that is true love! Now we have a way to be given righteousness. It is a gift and not something that can be earned.
    >>>What about the millions who came before Jesus? Only you are accountable for your sins no one else. If God is the judge then he will ask you about your sins ( funny how you only focus on sin all the time, I suppose this is the guilt trip in Christianity) not about anyone else’s , but yours and you will be held accountable. Sikhism shows the path to God, God forgives our sins no matter how many times we keep repeating them for He is our father and just as a father forgives his children so does God, we do not need anyone else in the relationship.

    Sikh’s on the other hand believe that you must EARN righteousness and be good, that humans can be good.
    >>>No, humans are fundamentally good, it is only the Christians who thing that humans are fundamentally sinners. We must live righteous lives so we can become closer to God.

    In addition, you have a misunderstanding of the nature of the triune God. The Bible explains that God is ONE BEING, but exists in three distinct persons.
    >>>You yourself are saying he exists in three distinct persons; you have turned the One into three. So you do not believe in the One, but in three.

    Jesus Christ is fully 100% God so we worship Him just as the Father and Holy Spirit are both 100% God.
    >>>Research this please, Jesus was not given divine status until the council on Nicea.

    Now about how we drink everything and eat everything. What you are describing is self-righteousness. You boast in your accomplishments and the way you follow rules and judge everyone else who does not follow. You act as if you are perfect and good when deep inside you know if reincarnation is true you won’t obtain it.
    >>>Jesus fed the five thousand with fish and wine. If he had fed them with bread and water I would have been impressed. But to feed the masses flesh of an animal and an intoxicant has led to your society into drugs and alcoholism and moral decay, was that a good thing ?

    The Christian God of the Bible is more powerful that your god of the Guru Granth.
    >>>This truly shows the mentality of a Christian, that of a five year old.

    The Bible is simply a text we use to study about God who is completely separate from material things. He created everything.
    >>>On one hand you say that the bible was revealed thousands of years ago and is the word of god, now you say it is simply a text, make you mid up my friend is it one or the other? Yet it contains no truth, for it has been manipulated so much through the ages that any truth was lost a long time ago.

    So then it should not matter if I say your religion is Satanic. God will just reincarnate me as something low and I can work my way up.
    >>>Actually you don’t know how close you are to the truth !

    The point is that I hope you will repent of your sins and know the true God who administers justice and also shows infinite love to His children (those who believe) who is found only in the Bible.
    >>>I repent my sins every day. He is found in the bible you say? The same bible that is so full of mistakes ?
    Jesus’ last words
    MAT 27:46,50: “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” …Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.”
    LUK 23:46: “And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, “Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:” and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”
    JOH 19:30: “When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished:” and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.”
    Jesus’ first sermon plain or mount?
    MAT 5:1,2: “And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying….”

    LUK 6:17,20: “And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people…came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said…”
    God be seen?
    EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9
    God CAN be seen:
    “And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts.” (EXO 33:23)
    “And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.” (EXO 33:11)
    “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” (GEN 32:30)
    God CANNOT be seen:
    “No man hath seen God at any time.” (JOH 1:18)
    “And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live.” (EXO 33:20)
    “Whom no man hath seen nor can see.” (1TIM 6:16)
    Judas died how?
    “And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself.” (MAT 27:5)
    “And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out.” (ACT 1:18)
    How many times did the cock crow?
    MAR 14:72 And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.
    MAT 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
    MAT 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.
    LUK 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.
    LUK 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
    JOH 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, still thou hast denied me thrice.
    JOH 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.

    >>No doubt you will come back with reams and reams of counter arguments, which frankly I am not interested in and I will not be reading them. Please accept my apologies if I have offended you , that was not my intention. Have a happy life.

    • >>> You make think I am angry, I am not. I am just a little sad at your underhandedness.

      Again if you read my article you would know there was nothing underhanded going on.

      >>>I think it is most deceitful. You went there not with an open heart as you tried to convey to the people there but with a hidden agenda. But I will not labor the point.

      You wont labor the point, because you HAVE NO POINT! You are making things up because you are mad that I am convicted of the truth of the gospel. Nothing we did was deceitful and the Sikhs knew exactly who we were, and that we were from a Christian university. All they did was display kindness and honor to us as guests knowing we were Christians. The Sikhs in Los Angeles and Hollywood are completely different than you. They don’t care about our faith and still showed us respect and received much love from us. It was a LEARNING experience.

      >>>I think you are need to read up my friend. Before the council of Nicea Jesus was not even throught of as divine. It is only from this point that Jesus is made divine and you start following Jesus rather than God. You say “maybe” there was a council, this was the biggest thing that happened after Jesus where church leaders, priests, politicians came together and hammered out what the bible was going to look like, it is here that Jesus’ divinity is created, it is here where it is decided which gospels to include and which to leave out.

      No YOU are in need to read up. Not me. You don’t know your historical facts. You are just making things up now. I said “maybe” there was a council, not because I was doubting there was one, I was confirming it. You need to understand english conotations man. Jesus’s divinitty was not “made up” at the council, it was AFFIRMED. There is a difference. The Bible also affirms that Jesus was divine. John 1:1, 1:14, Romans 9:5, and many more. Jesus is God.

      >>>gain I thing you need to do a little research. It was at this council that the people with their own agendas and prejudices decided what was going to be included in the bible. Things were left out and things were included according to who had the biggest clout, so basically man made.

      This is simply not true and any scholar would confirm that nothing was left out of the Bible. Only things were not allowed to be ADDED to the Bible. There is a difference. Stop making up things and adding your opinion instead of looking at the facts.

      >>>Strange isn’t it that you give so much importance to Jesus, yet he wrote not one word in the bible. This was left to others. The gospels cannot even agree on significant events.

      Jesus didn’t have to physically pen out the Bible. He spoke and His words were recorded down. The entire bible points to Jesus Christ as the Savior from Genesis all the way to Revelation if you actually read it.

      Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?
      (a) God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
      (b) Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

      Answer: Both did. God is soveriegn and in control of everything. Even Sikhism teaches this. God allowed Satan to tempt David to sin by doing a census.

      How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
      (a) Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
      (b) Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

      Answer: He was 22. It was a copyist error and the King James version the Old English translation even admits this in its sidenotes. This is clearly not even a big deal to dicount serious doctrines tuaght in the Bible. All scholars know he was age 22 and not 42, but if you knew about Hebrew its super easy to make such a minor error in detail due to a similar stroke in the Hebrew letters. At least we know the truth of the correct translation and don’t have about 15 different languages to go back and fourth with like Guru S.

      How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
      (a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
      (b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

      Answer: This is not a contradiction! Two of every kind of animal went to the Ark and Noah put them inside. In 7:2 Noah is commanded to take 7 of each and every CLEAN animal. Clean for ritual sacrifice on the Ark. This would be sheep, goats etc. Animals that God considered clean, and also for their food to eat. You are trying WAY too hard to find a problem here. Its really silly, if you would just read the text you would know.

      Jesus descended from which son of David?
      (a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
      (b) Nathan(Luke3:31)

      Answer: Solomon. I think your problem is you are reading the text wrong and confusing another person named SALMON with SOLOMON. See the spelling difference? You are wrong again! If you pay attention to the text you would knw Salmon is not Solomon.

      >>>I could go on as there are many points like this, but alas I am sure you have an answer for all of them!

      You could go on and on and yes I would have an answer for all of them beause the Bible is true without error and I study it. You are trying way too hard to find errors. All of your questions scholars have answered time and time again and proven you wrong. Research it.

      >>>Guru Granth sahib Ji was written in Gurmukhi script throughout and it has stayed this way from the very start. We recite it as it was revealed by God, not a word has been added not a word has been taken out, it is as it was and always will be , you cannot say the same for the bible.

      I can say the same for the Bible and the Bible is actually true. You used ancient texts that were from many other languages. Then you translated it in Gurmukhi throughout it. It was not this way from the very start since the scripts you put together existed before your religion existed.

      >>>It has been translated into English or course so that you can understand it, BUT when recited we recite the original. You on the other had recite a translated version all the time. Translated by humans each with their own take on things, not good my friend, not good.

      That is not true. You are not adding your own opinion and not anything to do with facts. The bible says the same thing in any language it is translated in. Why should the entire world learn ancient greek and hebrew just to read it? That would be the legalism that Sikhism teaches. Not everyone speaks your Guru books language and so it has been translated in many languages as well. I could say the same thing “Your book was translated with biased in another language and ruined the correct translation. Over time your recitations are different.” It’s a bad argument not based on logic. That is what you are doing.

      >>>A little knowledge is a dangerous thing my friend, Old versions of the Guru Granth Sahib Ji are preserved and kept in Gurdwaras in India. We have historical versions and documents from the very beginning, all are preserved. What you are referring to is when a Guru Granth Sahib Ji has become worn, to place it in flames for us is more respectful then leaving it to gather dust or to throw away, same with prayer books, as I say no historical documents are disposed off. We have the original hand written Guru Granth Sahib Ji in a place called Kartarpur fully preserved, can you say the same about the bible ?

      Even so this makes less and less copies that can be examined throught time to be around. You maybe claim to have an original, and maybe you do, but that is because your religion started in the 15th century. It is a very new world religion so its easy to still have a copy. Also the new testament was written way before your religion was even created, and there are thousands of ancient copies of the texts that scholars can view and have proven the bible is true. THOUSANDS! Also, who is to say your original copy is true? How so we know someone didn’t switch it out somewhere?

      >>>Our manuscripts date from the beginning of the faith, no important documentation has been destroyed. We have THE have original Guru Granth Sahib Ji at a place called Kartarpur. CAN YOU SAME THE SAME ABOUT THE BIBLE?

      Nope and we don’t need to. We have enough ancient scripts even an ancient copy of Isaiah which was written 600 years before Jesus. All the Guru Granth is, are copies of already existing religious texts from hinudism, islam, buddhism etc. Do you have the original of those? NO! That is why your argument is funny to me. You made up a new religion to fight Muslims in the 15th century and just used already existing texts in all kinds of different languages and you expect me to be impressed that a written COPY of those texts in a Sikh language is somehow impressive? Pretty funny man.

      >>>You may kid yourself by friend but I doubt it. There have been so many different versions, so many different translations that if there was any truth it has been lost. As I have pointed out earlier it is riddled with inconsistencies, the gospels cannot even agree on how many times the crow crowed before Jesus was captured at the end of his life!

      Not true. The Bible agrees. And archeology has proven the Bibles people, places and times were correct. You have yet to prove an inconsistency.

      >>>Says who? You say it is difficult you translate? On what authority? Again you seem to think you are an expert on things you know nothing about. The script used in Guru Granth Sahib Ji is Gurmukhi and it is used throughout. Yes different languages are used, so what? Persion is still a living language, so it Hindi, Marahathi, Punjabi. Sanskrit is used but there are many many scholars who are well versed in it, so your notion is completely wrong, it is not difficult to translate at all. On the other hand the only version of the bible you all use is in English, was it originally written in English ? If not then how do you know that what you are reading is a correct translation? Why would you want to read a translation anyway? We recite the original compositions as they were revealed, do you ???

      Because not everyone speaks ancient languages or Hebrew. Why should we? We have even more scholars that understand those 3 simple biblical languages that confirm the English versions of the Bible as correct. I am not claiming to be an expert, but simply telling you some facts to go check out. Besides the several living languages you are claiming about Guru Granth, there are still several other and lesser known languages scholars have to look up. This is why its difficult to translate. Its way more difficult and tedious to make sure your translation in Gurmukhi is correct. Also the ancient texts they use were not written by Sikhs but other gurus from hinduism, islam buddhism etc. You guys just collected different teachings from other religions. Anything you say agains the Bible about translation errors and language could be said several times more-fold about your Guru Granth.

      >>>Yet you read it in English, the whole essence is lost in translation.

      So why do Sikhs translate your Guru Granth into English and other languages if its such a terrible thing to read it in another language? You think its so amazing you read your book in an original language when hardly ANYONE in the world understands your language. You talk about being lost in translation, if any American goes to your temple they wont understand a thing! The reason we translate it in english and other languages is so people can understand the Word of God! Unlike your arrogant legalistic attitude.

      >>>Firstly it is not called a knife, it is a Kirpan. It was given to us by our Guru to defend ourselves and to defend others. It is not an offensive weapon. It is used for protection for the poor and needy. When the Moghals invaded it was the Sikhs who defended the honor of the female population. Yet Jesus told you to turn the other cheek and that the meet shall inherit the Earth and under the crusades you committed the most terrible atrocities, in the name of Jesus.

      Kirpan is a type of knife dude. Stop getting upset over minor words. You cannot defend yourself with a small pocket sized knife and I doubt you would even know how to use it. Jesus Christ was not a pacifist, he only was in the sense of social violence or persecution. A slap on the cheek is not the same as someone attacking you with a gun. Jesus Christ also recommended his disciples to BUY A SWORD Luke 22:36. Also, in our laws you cannot ccarry large Kirpans on planes or anywhere so you carry smaller knives or symbols of a knife in your turbans. That does not actually defend you against anything. Its merely a symbol.

      >>>I do not know where you get this notion. There is evil in this world, and it is manmade, mostly by people who regard themselves to be superior or those who think they alone hold the secret.

      I get this teaching from the chief leader of the Gurdwara in Los Angeles. He told us God creates all things and nothing is evil. He even said God created Hitler the way he was so you cannot say Hitler was evil since God created him that way. Your religion is morally reletavistic. You only believe in distractions from union with God, not sin or evil. You should look your own religion up.

      >>>I think you need to do a little research here, you are talking gibberish. As I have said Sikhs know there is evil in the world.

      Then you better go correct the Gurwara in Los Angeles because the chief leader specifically told me there is no evil and people an live any way they want.

      >>>Again you have no idea of what we believe. We believe that man can commit sin. The word for sin is “paap”. We are “paapi”, we are sinners, we commit sin, where you get you misinformation from I do not know.
      Here is a quote from Guru Granth Sahib Ji :
      One who lives righteously is known as righteous; one who commits sins is known as a sinner.
      You Yourself enact the entire play, O Creator. Why should we speak of any other?
      As long as Your Light is within the body, You speak through that Light. Without Your Light, who can do anything? Show me any such cleverness!
      O Nanak, the Lord alone is Perfect and All-knowing; He is revealed to the Gurmukh. ||2||

      I do have an idea what you believe because I looked it up as well as talked to the Chief of the Gurdwara in L.A. who told me there is no evil and you should not judge other people. Also God created all people the way they are and you cannot be upset at God for it since He is soveriegn. That is what he told us. He was rejecting the term evil and saying there are only “bad things.” Also that quote from the Guru only admits that God creates evil in your religion. “You Yourself enact the entire play, O Creator. Whys hould we speak of any other?”
      You see the Sikh God is a God that creates and commits evil. The Christian God is a God of purity and holiness and punishes evil.

      Here is a quote on evil:
      Siree Raag, First Mehla, Third House:
      Make this body the field, and plant the seed of good actions. Water it with the Name of the Lord, who holds all the world in His Hands.
      Let your mind be the farmer; the Lord shall sprout in your heart, and you shall attain the state of Nirvaanaa. ||1||
      You fool! Why are you so proud of Maya?
      Father, children, spouse, mother and all relatives-they shall not be your helpers in the end. ||Pause||
      So weed out evil, wickedness and corruption; leave these behind, and let your soul meditate on God.
      When chanting, austere meditation and self-discipline become your protectors, then the lotus blossoms forth, and the honey trickles out. ||2||

      Okay so you are now teaching legalism, and works baed righteousness. So sinful humans are allowed to earn merit with a holy God? Well the christian God says no sinful effort by humans will ever be allowed to enter the presence of God.

      >>>You seem to have a very simplistic view here, and it is completely wrong.

      Then the Los Angeles Sikhs are wrong for teaching me.

      >>>You misunderstand. There is sin. If a man commits murder then he has sinned, God did not create this, the man did and for this he will have to pay. Where we fundamentally disagree upon is that Sikhs believe that man is essentially good and he is trying to return to his maker. Where as you believe man is originally a sinner which is incorrect.

      So are you a good person?

      >>>I think you have a fundamental flaw here my friend, there is no Sikh God, there is no Christian God, there is only one God it is how we perceive him that is different. You really need to get away from this childish notion of a “Christian” God.

      So you are admitting that I believe in God and so then I am okay? Why are you so upset with my beliefs if I am worshiping the same God, but just differently?

      >>>What about the millions who came before Jesus? Only you are accountable for your sins no one else. If God is the judge then he will ask you about your sins ( funny how you only focus on sin all the time, I suppose this is the guilt trip in Christianity) not about anyone else’s , but yours and you will be held accountable. Sikhism shows the path to God, God forgives our sins no matter how many times we keep repeating them for He is our father and just as a father forgives his children so does God, we do not need anyone else in the relationship.

      Your God who is the author of evil, also allows people to sin and does not care. Whereas the Christian God will punish evil and destroy sin. See the difference? Sikhism has no real punishment except going through reincarnation again. Bible says punishment is eternal torment in hell which is what evil deserves. Your God is forgiving to evil. So if someone rapes your mom and your sister and kills your entire family in front of you God will just forgive him and let him reincarnate again and try again. And you say mankind is good? Where did evil come from then?

      >>>No, humans are fundamentally good, it is only the Christians who thing that humans are fundamentally sinners. We must live righteous lives so we can become closer to God.

      Explain how humans are fundamentally good and why I should believe you are a good person.

      >>>You yourself are saying he exists in three distinct persons; you have turned the One into three. So you do not believe in the One, but in three.

      No I am saying he exists as ONE BEING in three persons. Why is it so hard for you to attack what Christians really believe? You are creating a straw man and then attacking it.

      >>>Research this please, Jesus was not given divine status until the council on Nicea.

      This is not true. Jesus always has divine status even the Bible teaches this.

      >>>Jesus fed the five thousand with fish and wine. If he had fed them with bread and water I would have been impressed. But to feed the masses flesh of an animal and an intoxicant has led to your society into drugs and alcoholism and moral decay, was that a good thing ?

      You obviously never read the account in the Bible. Jesus did not feed the masses with wine!!! It was bread and fish that’s it! It doesn’t mention what they drank. Jesus did create wine our of water, drink wine at the last supper etc…but that doesn’t mean He or anyone else got drunk. The Bible is full of verses against drunkenness. Drunk behavior is a sin in the Bible. You can complain about American society all you want, but it has nothing to do with the Bible.

      >>>This truly shows the mentality of a Christian, that of a five year old.
      You can complain and say I am acting like a 5 year old, but it does not prove anything. The God of the Bible is more powerful because your god does not exist and is completely made up by sinful men.

      >>>On one hand you say that the bible was revealed thousands of years ago and is the word of god, now you say it is simply a text, make you mid up my friend is it one or the other? Yet it contains no truth, for it has been manipulated so much through the ages that any truth was lost a long time ago.

      This is seriously just an idiotic response you have made….*no comment* sorry. An idiot is someone who tries the same thing over and over especting a different result, or for something to work correctly. You have mentioned this rediculus accusation about the bible being manipulated too man times and you have no credible evidence. Its merely just words.

      >>>Actually you don’t know how close you are to the truth!

      So basically I just need to get reincarnated all the time until I can become god. Are you even close? Do you seriously think you have the ability to obtain it?

      >>>I repent my sins every day. He is found in the bible you say? The same bible that is so full of mistakes ?
      Jesus’ last words
      MAT 27:46,50: “And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” …Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.”
      LUK 23:46: “And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, “Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:” and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.”
      JOH 19:30: “When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished:” and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.”

      Jesus said all of those things. The books of the bible are different accounts from other people, they all recorded what they thought was important. Jesus actually said all of those things, and nothing can be said to contradict the other words.

      Jesus’ first sermon plain or mount?
      MAT 5:1,2: “And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying….”
      LUK 6:17,20: “And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people…came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said…”

      Don’t know what translation you are using but the King James says Jesus stood on a level place with his disciples around him and spoke the the crowds. Also going up on a mountian and speaking on a level plae to a crowd in a plane is what was going on. There is no cotnradiction and this is a really insignificant thing to worry about and no way contradicts Christ’s teachings.

      God be seen?
      EXO 24:9,10; AMO 9:1; GEN 26:2; and JOH 14:9
      God CAN be seen:
      “And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts.” (EXO 33:23)
      “And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend.” (EXO 33:11)
      “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” (GEN 32:30)

      Moses saw a manifestation of God that God appeared as. God is spirit. Not a physical thing with material. God created all material.

      God CANNOT be seen:
      “No man hath seen God at any time.” (JOH 1:18)
      “And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live.” (EXO 33:20)
      “Whom no man hath seen nor can see.” (1TIM 6:16)

      This is true no man has actually seen God literally as He is. Moses never saw God’s true glory, only a manifestation and then again he could only see His back.

      Judas died how?
      “And he cast down the pieces of silver into the temple and departed, and went out and hanged himself.” (MAT 27:5)
      “And falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all of his bowels gushed out.” (ACT 1:18)

      Judas hung himself and then the rope broke and he fell and his guts fell out on the rocks. DUH!

      How many times did the cock crow?
      MAR 14:72 And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he wept.
      MAT 26:74 Then began he to curse and to swear, saying, I know not the man. And immediately the cock crew.
      MAT 26:75 And Peter remembered the word of Jesus, which said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. And he went out, and wept bitterly.
      LUK 22:60 And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.
      LUK 22:61 And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
      JOH 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, still thou hast denied me thrice.
      JOH 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.

      From CARM.org: If a cock crows a second time, then it has crowed once before. The problem is that in Mark, after Peter denies the Lord for the third time (Mark 14:71), immediately a cock crows a second time (v. 72). The other gospels tell us that after Peter’s third denial a cock then crows. How do we reconcile this difficulty?
      Mark does not mention when the cock crowed the first time. Therefore, it is possible that after Peter’s third denial, the cock then crowed twice; that is, two times in a row. This is logically possible. http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/matthew-mark/did-cock-crow-once-or-twice-peters-third-denial

      >>No doubt you will come back with reams and reams of counter arguments, which frankly I am not interested in and I will not be reading them. Please accept my apologies if I have offended you , that was not my intention. Have a happy life.

      Of course I will! You cant expect me not to correct you when you attack me for my beliefs. Your intention was to offend me and you are lying about not wanting to offend me. At least be honest. Your arguments are uncredible and not based on fact and you posting such things on my blog will only prove that the Biblical God is true and Sikhism is false. So thank you!

  2. The truth is that God the Father has already elected those who will reign with Him, and those who will be condemned to hell. This Sikhs rhetoric is no different than any other cult members rhetoric. They all say the same thing about Jesus Christ. They all do the best that they can to belittle the true God. This is what the Bible calls an “antichrist spirit.” There is nothing you and I can do except for tell people the good news Gospel. Some will accept and some will reject. At the moment this guy rejects. But grace is amazing and we will never know who the elect are, for only God knows. Just continue to preach salvation by grace alone, through faith in Jesus Christ alone, and God will do the rest. Salvation is of the Lord!

  3. Haha I noticed how he says “>>No doubt you will come back with reams and reams of counter arguments, which frankly I am not interested in and I will not be reading them. Please accept my apologies if I have offended you , that was not my intention. Have a happy life.”

    He is not interested because he might not be elect. At this point he has REJECTED the FREE gift of salvation. You did a good job in delivering the Gospel. You don’t need to hold a scary knife or weapon that you carry at your side to try to convert people. LOL, scary.

  4. I couldn’t resist.
    <<>>
    So when it pleases you you bring in archeology, but when archeology says that the earth is 6 billion years old then that is discarded and instead the earth is 6000 years old with dinosaur bones ‘planted’, nice.

    <<>>
    Calm down you are going to give yourself a hernia. I have no issue with you believing in your God, so why do you have such a problem with me believing in mine that you had to go to a Gurdwara with deceitful and underhanded intentions.

    <<>>
    Anyone who drinks alcohol will always get drunk sooner or later, there is no doubt. So on the one hand Jesus dishes out wine, on the other the bible is against drunkenness, hmmm there is a word for this.

    <<>>
    Calm down my friend.

    <<>>
    The last words of a person are his last words, he cannot have all these as his last words. You cannot even agree on what he said at the end. Anyway, Jesus was God, yet he utters the words “Oh lord why do you forsake me?” and these were his dying words, not much faith there then.

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    Don’t get to worked up. In one Gospel Judus hung himself in another his guts spill on the rocks. Then you add your bit that the “rope broke” and he fell and spilled his guts, do not add your own opinion in the second account it says nothing about being hung.

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    Sorry, this is idiot logic. So one person says that the cock crows twice and another say it crowed once and they are both correct for the cock to crow twice it must have crowed once ???? Hmmm……
    In a court of law Mr A says he heard three shots, Mr B says he heard one shot and the Judge says that’s okay then all is consistent, not likely!
    For the cock to crow twice or thrice it must have done it in quick succession else it would not be counted as crowing twice or three times. But you cannot agree on how many times!

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    Now we go into the realms of theory, hmm yes it could happen if such-n-such a thing happened. Sorry not good enough.

    <<>>
    Erm… which gospel would that be the one where the cock crowed one, twice or thrice ?

    As for the council of Nicea, a cursory search reveals :
    It was at this meeting that Constantine and his council resolved that if the proletariat had to have their superstitions, then better it was controlled by the state and adopted policies that the state approved of. One of the principal tasks was to decide which books should constitute the ‘Holy Book’ of the new religion, which would be the Bible. Therefore, some of the Gospels had to go, and some of the material in the remaining Gospels had to be edited. So, for example, the Gospel of Philip, which had been perfectly creditable until this point, was cut from the Bible. Upon closer inspection however, the reason for Philip’s edit became clear when a copy was discovered. It contains passages in which some of the disciples complain about how Jesus appears to favour Mary Magdelene over all the other apostles, and they are annoyed because he is always kissing her on the mouth. Jesus replies that he does favour her and is coy about answering directly and enigmatically says, ‘great are the mysteries of marriage’. The Council of Nicaea decided that, with a little selective editing, they could create a irrefutable line of succession based on a supposed quote by Jesus about Peter, namely, ‘this is the rock upon which my church is built’. Now, if Jesus was indeed married and had children, the line of Peter is irrelevant as the blood of the Royal line is more important than the word. So the Gospel of Philip ends up on the cutting room floor, along with any other document or passage that contains references to Jesus’s marriage.
    Mark 11:46 tells how Jesus arrives at Jericho, but by the end of the sentence we are already learning of events concerned with his leaving Jericho. Now there can be only one reason for this – something was cut out. Father Clement confirms that this is indeed the case. The passage cut out reads:
    And the sister of the youth whom Jesus loved and his mother and Salome were there, and Jesus did not receive them.
    The phrase ‘the youth whom Jesus loved’ appears elsewhere in the Bible and refers to Lazarus. It has been put forward elsewhere that Lazarus and Mary Magdelene are brother and sister, and the evidence for this is fairly well-documented. The passage itself, at face value, appears to say nothing controversial, but once again it’s what is not there that makes it important. The mere act of cutting it means that the church is aware of a situation involving Jesus and Mary Magdelene, and is trying to hide it. Cutting it out has only drawn more attention to it.
    So, how to make the name of Jesus all-powerful, and put the church in a position where kings bow to it? The obvious idea was to add some mystique to Jesus, give him an aura of mystery and the supernatural, and to do this the council went back into history for inspiration. Let’s consider a few historical figures for a moment:
    The popular Cult of Mithra (or Mithras) was indeed an embarrassment to the early church. Its roots are probably in Syria and it is believed to be an offshoot of the Persian cult of Zoroaster. It seems to have been introduced into the Roman Empire around 67 BC. Born in a stable to a virgin, birthday celebrated on 25 December, died and reborn, Passover celebrated around Easter, whose rites of worship involved the ingestion of food and drink that were symbolic of eating the flesh of Mithra, and all this 600 years before the birth of Christ. Also included were rites of baptism, the belief in immortality, resurrection, a judgement at the end between Heaven and Hell, and a saviour who died and was resurrected to act as a mediator between man and God.
    Ignoring the fact that young girls had apparently been giving birth to saviours and deities for a number of centuries, it appeared that it would be extremely difficult for the church to pass off Mithra lightly. But these were desperate men, and ultimately the church concocted a story about how the devil was such a wily adversary he had gone back in time to ‘plant’ Mithra as an obvious forerunner of Jesus, which was intended to sow seeds of doubt into the minds of the dubious.
    And thus the concept of the Holy Trinity was born. The one god now split into three, and the figurehead who always claimed he was the son of man was now proclaimed as the Son of God. And the mysterious Holy Ghost, who still baffles experts to this day, appeared more or less out of nowhere. So now when Jesus says of Peter, ‘This is the rock upon which my church is built’, he is not just a rebellious political leader, he is the Son of God.
    Other aspects of Jesus were modified to make him more acceptable to those who still worshipped the official state religion of Sun God Worship. Two dates have been put forward for Jesus’s true birthday, one in early March and one early in September. This celebration was moved to 25 December because this is the date of the major feast of Sol Invictus.
    This is not everything decreed by the Council, merely an illustration of the way the Church has distorted history. After all, it has been said that if you control history, then you control the future.

    • What you are soing is displaying your ignorance with multititudes of logical fallacies. I have already defeated you and proven why the Bible is true. You do not use logic or common sense. And you enjoying making things up that are not even true about the Bible. You are a self righteous hypocrite who believes you are a good person to get to God and somehow can become God. This is blasphemy. There is only ONE WAY to God it is through Jesus Christ. Believe it or else you will go to hell. I warn you because I care.

  5. Accept or reject Jesus right here right now @onlypath. It’s that simple. We reject your beliefs, religion, your god. All you have to do is accept or reject salvation through Jesus Christ and move on. The gift of salvation is free. You just have to accept the gift.

  6. Blah bah you are ignoring all of my responses. You cant handle the fact I proved onlypath wrong and are talking nonsense now. Go tell the Sikhs in los angeles they are all wrong. All you are doing is giving out ad hominem attacks and ignoring all of the points I made against onlytruepath. The bible has more archeologists and scholars who would affirm its accuracy than any sikh copy of your guru granth would have….

  7. You are a doctor yet you are speaking the words of an ignoramus. You didnt prove anything wrong against me. I blocked you because I was tired of the stench of your arrogantly stupid nonsense that seems to pour out from the overflowing toilet of your illogical reason. I guess out of all of the millions and millions of sikhs who believe in reincarnation and grow long hair and go to gurudwaras, you somehow are enlightened above all of them including temple chiefs and gurus. I bet you live a perfect life and will merge with god. You are nothing but an atheist in denial who hates god and complains. Being a psychiatrist does not impress me, it only shows how stupid psychiatry is and the low standards they have to allow such a bafoon as yourself to be considered an intellectual. You claim the guru granth explicitly states “reincarnation does not exist” yet millions and millions of sikhs believe it is true and the entire religion is based on escaping it. Either you are lying or all sikhs are incredibly delusional and stupid….or maybe YOU are delusional and stupid. I think you are delusional and stupid and a waste of my time.

    “Japji Sahib Stanza 20
    O Nanak, by the Hukam of God’s Command, we come and go in reincarnation. ”

    This seems to prove you wrong about Sikhism and reincarnation. The Gurus all believed in reincarnation and for you to believe it is not real contradicts them. Also the Gurus were not evolutionists and if any of them were so close to god and so perfect wouldn’t they have known evolution exists?
    If anyone needs self assurance it is you who cannot handle being told they are wrong, or told to go away. You are butthurt and you can’t walk away so you have to post more moronic ramblings on my blog in order to please yourself and make yourself feel smart. You are a sinner in denial and claim you don’t need Jesus, yet your actions prove otherwise that you are simply a depraved self righteous hypocrite. Nothing about you is complex, it is out in the open. I preach the truth about God that all men need a Savior, yet you deny it and claim you can be perfect and go to god. Yet you believe god is not actually real nor can you have a personal relationship with him. You claim that things must be proven by science and you cannot prove a god concept with your idea of science. You demand scientific proof of Jesus Christ’s miracles yet you want to believe in the fairy tale of evolution and deny what pretty much every Sikh on the planet believes that God is more than just some force.

    “One Universal Creator God, The Name Is Truth, Creative Being Personified, No Fear, No Hatred, Image Of The Timeless One, Beyond Birth, Self Existent, By Guru’s Grace.”

    Sikh God has a name, he is creative, he is something, and he commands things. Obviously god has some kind of consciousness that is more than just a force of nature like “Einstein’s god” as you said on youtube.
    Go run along feeling pleased with yourself as if you are somehow perfect and the smartest sikh in the entire world to understand the “facts.” Get a life man and repent and admit you need God and that you are a sinner and cannot be perfect. You probably won’t. You will continue to claim baseless presuppositions with no evidence or any proof against your opposition. You will continue in your foolish ways screaming “that is not logical” when nothing about you is logical. You are seriously lacking in any common sense. I am done wasting time throwing pearls bfore swine with you. You are a joke and misrepresent every sikh that has talked to me before you including onlytruepath.

  8. hey man sikh does not need to explain himself,his actions and his culture to anyone.we do not need to give u any proof cause we ask none.for us god is one and all humans are equal.
    can u plz tell me what is god?where does he live?why he created earth?us?

  9. wow,, hey bro.. I just checked out your video on youtube regarding Questions and than reply to that video .. anyways I firstly want to praise u for such a knowledge.. not many people want to read before commenting but u did search history about sikhs and I loved it now your questions are little confusing ,, when guru nanak dev ji came to this world people from different faiths actually respect him and they would feel that that “Nanak” away from materialistic world and teach people about truthful life..
    anybody can merge with god .. though u are Sikh Hindu Jew Muslim white black .. Follow religions as path to live truthful life not to contradict others… my personal view on evil is when we enter any dark room there is no light but we have to switch the light on.. so anything without truth is evil any thing without light is dark or black ..
    I respect your views and hope u follow Christianity properly..
    Sorry if I offend u any way… and just for your info
    the dictionary meaning of Sikh is Student (SHISHYA) who learns ,,, learn learn his whole life ,… though u r muslim or hindu or jew.. we all are sikh , student who are learning.. I hope one day we all learn what is humanity ..peace

  10. Dear Christian brother (as we are all the children of God) I do apologize if members of my religion did offend you in any way, but you must realize that manner in which you posed your questions can be taken offensively and people (including yourself) do not like their religion/belief system being questioned. I have these discussions with my Christian friends many times. We obviously agree on many things and we have areas of disagreement and they are mainly dealing with reincarnation and the concept of good/evil. For the sake of learning from one another, I will attempt to answer your questions to the best of my ability and I do have some questions of my own:

    1. Guru Nanak merged with God and returned with JapJi Sahib which is a universal and timeless scripture with extensive knowledge about the solar system, humanity, and ways to attain God. Guru Nanak knew of thousands of planets and worlds around the same time that Christopher Columbus was trying to prove that the Earth was round. He was ahead of his time as NASA has recently realized that the universe does not end at our solar system. Guru Nanak clearly states in JapJi Sahib that the ultimate goal is universal brotherhood for all mankind and that conquering the mind is conquering the world. Not everyone can attain God and it is through the Guru’s blessing (which one receives through their actions) that one is given the power to do so. However, it comes with great effort in pure meditation and good deeds. Meditation is scientifically proven to relieve stress and generate positive energy. Almost all religions (Hindu, Buddhism, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Sikhism and others) and prophets do stress meditation as a means to connecting with your inner conscious (soul) which is essentially where God resides in his creation. Our goal in this human form is to try and attain God through devotional meditation and the cleansing of ego that has covered our soul in our previous incarnations and even in this life form.

    2. Guru Nanak was not an ordinary human and to Sikhs he was the image of God but he always called himself the “Slave of God” in order to preach humility and even practice it himself. There are countless examples of miracles performed by Guru Nanak that are confirmed by scholars of the time, written accounts of the Mughal empire, and even Gurudwara’s in India and Pakistan (Gurudwara Manikaran Sahib and Panja Sahib). This was not too long ago that these events took place and the “enemy” at the time realized the Divine Power in all of the Guru’s. Remember, for Sikhism to start in midst of one major religion (Islam) attempting to wipe out another major religion (Hinduism) is a miracle in itself. Obviously, if Guru Nanak were an ordinary man he would have been thrown in jail or killed and that would be the end of the story. Religious men and saints knew that a special divine baby would be born when Guru Nanak Dev Ji while his mother was pregnant and this led to major arguments between Hindu’s and Muslims as to which religion Guru Nanak would belong to. Guru Nanak said that he was neither Hindu nor Muslim and this led to great confusion at the time. Its apparent that there was a Divine Message that Guru Nanak was to bring to help the people of the world out of this Dark Age.

    3. The Guru’s were not God, the Supreme Being, but they were his prophets and were the closest thing to God that we were able to witness as humans. The Guru is the teacher of God and they are to be treated as one in the same but they are different and the Guru’s stressed that God is much higher than they were. This can cause confusion because in the scripture it states that God and the Guru are one in the same. As one scholar explained it, ” If God is the mansion, then the Guru is the door. The door is part of the mansion, but the mansion is much bigger. The door is usually the easiest way to get into the mansion and there are many doors (religious paths) to the mansion.”

    4. In regards to God informing you of your past demerits to help you with the reincarnation, I wish He would have made it that easy. I believe that him sending prophets like Guru Nanak, Muhammed, Jesus, etc. was for that purpose to let us know what He expected and how to live our lives according to His Command. Humans are different from other animals in that we have free will to do what we want and to live outside God’s command yet still inside His Command (God is the controller of the Universe and everything is in His control. What a few of his beings do on Planet Earth is infinitesimal to the Kingdom of God and His Command. He can stop all this nonsense on Earth with one comet, one flood, one “snap of the fingers,” etc.) In Sikhism, we are told that your service to humanity, meeting with the Society of Holy people, and meditation of His name will get your to a higher life form where you will never have to die again (What Christians call Heaven). Obtaining the human form is extremely difficult and that is why there is so much importance given to ensuring that we make the best use of our time while we can. In order to get human form, ones past actions were good enough. However, everyone is different. That is why some die at birth (this could mean that they passed the test and made it to “Heaven,” were reassigned, or demoted…only God knows), some are born with deformations, some are born into wealthy families and some are born into spiritual families. These are all linked to your Karma.

    5. Regarding Good vs. Evil. In Sikhism, there is no Anti-God or devil as God controls everything and he has no enemies as He is the Creator. He has no fear because He made everything. He has no animosity or anger towards anything because everything is under His Command. God has staged a play of Separation versus Union in where He controls the actions. The only power we have is the power over our thoughts. It is in our mind or thoughts that we generate evil though the five Sins of pride, lust, greed, anger, and attachment. Our thoughts then impact our actions and make them impure and the whole time God knows what you are thinking, but when Judgement Day comes it is your act of taking your thoughts to the next level to performing deeds that you will pay for. Through his actions (car accidents, near death experiences, a touching sermon, etc.) He can bring you closer or farther (money, drugs, sex, materialism, etc.). We can interpret these actions and then make a choice on which way we want to go. There is a right and wrong but that is only for God to decide at the end of the day because He knows what is in our heart too. For example, Mr Sandusky of Penn State wanted to help little boys from broken homes and society hailed him a great man for doing so. All the while, his motive was to sexually abuse them.

    6. This is your chance to merge with God in the human form. If we do not pass, then we go through the 8.4 million life cycle again and then maybe we get another chance at being human. Also, God has the ability to reincarnate you as human again if He would like (He can do whatever He wants) and I think that this is the best explanation for the ghost phenomenon or trapped souls. There are many who have merged into God before death and that is what everyone should be striving to attain. When someone can hear the Sound of Creation (Unstuck Melody or Anhad Bani) that is their experiencing of God as they can only comprehend his energy through sound waves. We do not have the brain power to comprehend God in His entirety.

    7. There are many paths to God, you do not have to follow Sikhism to attain God. You have to follow your Guru (Guru Nanak, Muhammad, Buddha, Jesus, etc.) to attain God. As Sikhs, we are to be respectful of everyone’s path. We feel that Guru Nanak being the last prophet and the Guru’s ability to write their scriptures without them being altered are the closest thing to what God wants from His children. Being Sikh has nothing to do with being Punjabi Indian as it is Universal. Sometimes, Punjabi Indians feel closer to the religion being that Sikhism started in Punjab much like Christians from Jerusalem or Muslims from Saudi Arabia. It is not right, but it is what people believe unfortunately. If someone has their own path, then it is our duty to respect that path. You cannot force your beliefs on anyone as this usually turns people away from it. As Sikhs, we should all be ready to explain our religion if someone is not satisfied with their religion and is seeking an alternative route. In my opinion, as a community we have done a terrible job in explaining our religion to our neighbors all across the world and this is something that we must work on. People do go on “missions” to help promote Sikhism all over the world. It is just a matter of who hears about it and wants to attend.

    8. Christianity is not really mention in any of our Holy Books to my knowledge, but my personal take is that Jesus was a prophet that was sent by God just like many before and after Him. I think that God had to send Muhammed and Guru Nanak after Jesus because there were not radio’s and television back then and He had to send messengers to different parts of the world but these are questions that only God knows. Many of your questions after this are questions for God and not for any particular member of a religion. Why did God send Jesus so late in the game? Why didn’t He send Jesus right at the time of Creation? Why send Moses? Why send the Hindu gods? How about the Native Americans belief system of the Great Spirit (God)? There is no real answer to these questions as only God himself can answer these.

    9. I have a few question for you brother that I can never get a straight answer to from any of my Christian friends (one being a minister). The main issue I have with Christianity is the belief that if the whole world does not accept Jesus then they are all going to hell. Isn’t that God’s decision and not one for the priest or devout follower? Why would God put so many different religions on Earth that originated from different areas with very similar beliefs? Does God love All of His creation? Why wouldn’t He give you another chance at reaching Heaven? Did all of humanity go to hell before Jesus Christ “saved” everyone? Why is the history of the Judeo-Christian religion extremely similar to the story in the Egyptian Book of the Dead/ Sun God Horace (which took place thousands of years prior)? Why wasn’t Christianity a religion until the times of Constantine 400 AD? Why is Jesus portrayed as a white European rather than a Palestinian? Why is there a King James edition of the Bible? How can a King change the words of a prophet of God? Were Jesus and Joseph the same person? Are there any historical references that can confirm the story of Jesus outside of the Bible? These are questions that I have heard from people that have converted away from Christianity and I wanted to know if you could shed light on these. Please do not take my questions the wrong way. As Sikhs we have respect for all of the paths that God set out for us to get closer to Him. Anything that brings you closer to God is a good thing! God Bless You!

    • You cant all be right. If one person says something that is red is red, and another person says the red ting is blue only one person is right.

      I argue for God because of the wrong things people claim about Him. Its very important to know the true God.

  11. Hi Whitedragonawa
    I have watched your video on youtube and I would like to open a dialogue with you in a spirit of mutual respect so that we can learn from each other.

  12. INDERPAL SINGH : BROTHER (Whitedragonawa)
    curiosity is always good , I heard your utube here are some answers—

    guru Nanak wasn’t god but an honest man will unparalleled devotion for society and the Creater ( these are the qualities of spiritual beings)

    the time of his/ jesus arrival is only upto the will of creater depending on the needs of the time.

    anyone sikh/ non sikh who has high values, meditates and whose profession is good have equal chance to merge with god and attain salvation

    guru nanak was a spiritual teacher and who so ever follows his teachings is sikh, merely bieng a sikh by chance don’t make him/her superior its his actions and good efforts for society which makes him/her superior.

    you can become a better man if you honestly read and realize the philosophy of GURU, EVEN IF YOU REMAIN a Christian is no problem to me or god, god is not narrow minded and Christians too are gods people there is no distinction

    Sikhs too ruled on a major portion of India but the never forced people of other religions to follow/ convert to Sikhism this is the reflection of gurus teachings

    there are various scientific things written in guru granth sahib this shows the quality of truth in this book

    even if you dont agree you and me share this same world and no one among us is inferior, god will bless you

  13. Hey buddy or pal or whatever i may call you…. I am a sikh and 17 years old. A tolerant sikh. I understand your anger and find many of your rebuttals quite contradicting but never mind that, I think the folk that you talked to didn’t have that much sense. I ask humbly that on mine and every irrational sikh’s behalf, that you forgive them and stop accusing ALL the sikh religion for such behavior. I assure you not all sikhs are like this… I am a pacifist, full on sikh with a BEARD and a TURBAN. I carried this turban with honor and pride into school, bearing threats and insults from my peers. I have decent grades, i am in advanced classes, and i have a lot knowledge in my religion due to the fact that i have a very devoted family. Please constrain your anger. I am not of the type to get offended, and instead i support your video, because i know sikhs that argue for the wrong reason and motive. I get that. Instead i advise, when you make a video, use a softer tone while addressing religions, because it could offend someone and cause an uprising.

    We sikhs are militant, no doubt. But only for righteousness and good. We will lift our hands for revenge, anger or anything evil (At least the true sikhs won’t).

    Ending Note: Sir if you call us whatever names you called us in the videos, it makes you no different from the people that you are ranting against. I understand your answer, and if you have any questions feel free to call for a further intellectual discussion. But i must warn you that if you use such words to call us sikhs in our conversation, i will hang up and block you, but if i know what sort of man you are, you will be courteous and understanding, so i have no fear of that. May God Bless You With The Vision To See The Truth

  14. this is how these chathos/christians blackmail people in embracing their cult. ”good news” wtf, conspiracies and conspiracies and conspiracies in Bible and yet they say its a good news.
    No other religions and atheists preach their belief by fabricating stories.
    Holy Sh#$, their prist tell women not to wear panties lol, christain priests = pedophiles, protected Hitler and other genocides on jews.
    when king john threaten he will convert to islam and make england muslim country, these Christians shate in their pants and changed the rule oh word of god for him.
    ”good news,” the world is changing at a fast pace and the real good news is out with the emergence of science. every day many are denouncing the fake Christianity.

  15. Hi, i just wanted to drop in regarding all of the discussions going on. I was born a Sikh however have come to know our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

    What I can you regarding both religions and my experience is this…
    Growing up as a Sikh, I prayed constantly (at home and in Gurdwara) however never felt a I was close enough to God. I could not believe that praying to pictures or to an alter was the way to talk to God. I couldn’t imagine following rituals were what “worked” in my walk with the Lord. So, I went on a journey to find God, which lasted several years, and finally found Jesus (my bridge to God).

    Following Jesus has been a few peaceful and trying experience. It may sound contradictory however I can say this as I struggle with my family still. They have been either very new age (God is good, and all religions follow God so believe whatever…life is great) or extremely hateful towards my beliefs.

    To Sikhs: Christianity is not a “religion” as you believe yours is. It is a true RELATIONSHIP with God, which can only be had through Jesus Christ. We are all sinners and cannot “work” to be favored in the eyes of the Lord. It’s through his grave and Jesus’s sacrifice on the cross that we are forgiven. My experience within the Sikh community is that it is based on pride, culture and self honor. Jesus spoke of being humble and being submissive to God. That is our walk.

    Many of you readers may not agree or may criticize with my post. It’s okay. God gave us free will but also provided a way to Him. it is up to you on how you live your life…at the end it’s only you that needs to answer for it.

    • You said : “Growing up as a Sikh, I prayed constantly (at home and in Gurdwara) however never felt a I was close enough to God. I could not believe that praying to pictures or to an alter was the way to talk to God.”
      SIkhs do not pray to pictures and Sikhs do not pray to Altars. What version of Sikhism were you following?
      Thanks for providing proof that you were never a Sikh. And the beauty of Sikhism is that if you find Christianity as the true path to God, we Sikhs do not have a problem. But why are you such a weak Christians that you have to make up stuff about Sikhs to show greatness of Jesus?
      Please have 100% faith in your religion and believe in Jesus. I, as a Sikh, would make sure you have no problems following your religion. Righteousness is core tenet of Sikhism.

  16. Hello, I’m a Sikh and have search into the bible aswell, i can see that Sikhs find god Un-describable but if you find in the Moon Mantra (type it up) you will find it says “He” estimated six times and i can accept Jesus (Yesu Ne in Punjabi) as my savior.

    Q.Can i still use Yesu Ne like the Jews Call him Yeshua

    I’m Fourteen and i want to be a historian when im older. i want to make book when im older discussing similar and different relation between these two religions and compare them with evidence of the guru granth sahib and the king James bible so it might be hard but it would be great for Sikhs and christian to read the book.

    • Good questions.

      God is describable in the Bible only to the extend God reveals Himself. God is eternal and we can never know everything and when we go to heaven as Christians, only Christians, we will forever be learning more and more about Him and the learning will never stop because He is eternal. God shows us a lot about Himself in the Bible, about His nature. That He is good, holy, perfect, righteous, and a judge who will destroy the wicked in judgment. God is forgiving and rich in faithful love and mercy to all who believe and repent of their sins.
      A big difference between Christianity and your faith in Sikhism is that Christians admit they are wrong and have sinned and continue to sin and need forgiveness. We understand that it is human nature only to sin and without God we cannot be holy or do anything good. Read Romans 7. Only through the Holy Spirit living in us can we do righteous things for God. Only in Heaven will we stop sinning.
      Sikhs believe you can obtain righteousness on earth right now by following rules and behaving good. Also Sikhs tend to not be concerned with unbelievers and dont try to witness their God to poeple so they can be saved. Christians understand that evil deserves punishment and that all unbelievbers will get their just punishment which is eternity in hell.
      Christians were headed to hell as well accept God’s truth was enlightened in their hearts by God’s Word (the Bible) and they repented and put their faiht in God for salvation.
      Sikhs do not believe evil exists, only undesirable things. That all people can do whatever they want and are not evil because you believe God does not allow evil. Christians believe that humans are all evil. if you are honest with yourself you will understand you are a sinner and evil as well and need salvation.

      Now you can call Jesus by His name in any language you want. In Hebrew it is Yeshua, and in other languages it might be Yeshu Krist, or it might be Jesus Cristo or Hesus etc. But it is the same name. In English it is Jesus.
      Muslims on the othe rhand give him an improper name such as Isa which is not the accurate name of Jesus and implies their false idea of Jesus taught in their Quaran. So I would not advivce to use the term Isa. In Punjabi you can use the term Yesu Ne or Yeshua.

      Also the King James Bible is not the most accurate translation of the Hebrew and Greek and small amount of Aramaic.
      The King James Bible takes poetic liberty and makes the language a little more artistic sounding. Also modern English translations such as ESV or Holman Christian Standard bible are very accurate and literal translations of the original languages. So please go with them.
      But you can also use the King James because even though it uses poetic language it is a very solid translation and the message is not lost.

      Remember you may call on the name of Jesus but if you do not know Jesus from the Christian Bible you are not calling on the correct Jesus. The Sikh Jesus is not the true Jesus that Christians believe in. It is up to you and may God be with you and enlighten you to the absolute truth of Jesus Christ who can save you from hell. Have a nice day.

  17. White Dragon,
    I couldn’t read all of your posts because I was astounded by the number of incorrect assumptions about Sikhism in them, so I had to give up. But I would like to take one sample, I am dissecting your last post on Feb 22nd to et you know that almost every paragraph has an invalid assumption.There are a lot of problems with your understanding of Sikhism. I lost count. Just a few of them are here:
    1) “Guru Granth Sahib Jee is God” – Incorrect, where did you hear that from? We do not consider Guru Granth Sahib as God, Remember Sikhs believe God is timeless and formless? Get your facts right.

    2) You said something like “Sikh Jesus”, did you make that up? There is nothing like a Sikh Jesus existing in Christianity or Sikhism

    3) You said “A big difference between Christianity and your faith in Sikhism is that Christians admit they are wrong and have sinned and continue to sin and need forgiveness. We understand that it is human nature only to sin and without God we cannot be holy or do anything good.” – This is 100% wrong. Sikhs do believe that have done wrong and they need help of the Timeless Being to come out of wrongdoings.

    4) You said “Sikhs do not believe evil exists, only undesirable things. ” – This is 100% wrong. Sikhs believe that there are unwanted characteristics such as greed, lust and so on that need to be tackled and hence stay away from evil. Evil comes from unwanted characteristics and Guru Ji shows the path to fight these characteristics and hence avoid evil.

    All the best understand Sikhism better. As a Sikh, I respect your religion and Guru Ji guided us that there are multiple ways to get united with God. So, in my dictionary, all humans are born equal as pure souls. So I do not want to preach you Sikhism and I am not interested in knowing about Christianity at all. But I will never speak incorrect facts about Christianity because this is against my religion, so I at-least expect you to study Sikhism before making comments.

    • So going to the Sikh Gurudwara in Los Angeles and Hollywood is not going to teach me about Sikhism? I asked them directly and these were the answers I was given. If you have another version of Sikhism different than them than that is your right.

      1) I go by what they told me. Do you worship God? Or do you worship a book? or do you worship a guru? And if the Guru became one with this timeless God wouldnt that also make him God? One of the few to do it?

      2) Sikhs have a different belief about Jesus than what the bible teaches, therefore it is a Sikh Jesus.

      3) Is wrong doings also sin? Sikhs believe people are good when born, but Christians believe we are evil. Sikhs think people are inherently good but lost focus or gave into the illusion. Christians believe we are born in sin and wicked and only God is good. We cannot become good, only God can give us righteousness by his own work. not ours.

      4) They told me evil does not exist and God created everything and all things including Hitler so God is the author of hitlers evil. It is unwanted or undesirable but not evil. Can you judge someone who is into lust and greed? Can you say “Hey you are evil and you are wrong!” If not then you dont think there is good or evil, but just undesirable and desirable.

      Why did I make comments? Because I did study sikhism before I wrote this and visited Gurudwaras and spent the night in one and ate at them. I asked a lot of questions. Also looked up books on Sikhism.

  18. You’ve entirely missed the point. First and foremost sikhs pray to the eternal creator, Waheguru. We believe that he is the one creator that has created the universe and we are all created by that one creator. I am concerned as to who had informed you that we pray TO the Sri Guru Granth Sahib. We have had 10 gurus after which when Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj declared that the 11th guru will not be in a human form, but will be the words of god. The 11th guru would be the eternal guru and that is why we treat the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji with an enormous amount of respect. We believe that god is indescribable, inestimable, indubitable, infallible, intangible, imperishable, immutable, immortal, immaculate, immanent, unconquerable, unique, formless, fearless, deathless, timeless, ageless, compassionate, omnipresent and creator of all. This also means that we believe that god exists in around us at all times, meaning he never sleeps. (Waheguru is generally referred as to avoid confusion-although he is genderless). We believe that god exists in everyone from plants, to animals and human beings. God exists in you and in me. A Sikh’s aim in life is to connect with the one through meditation. We believe it does not matter which path you choose, but that you meet with the one lord. We do not believe in idol worship. This is why you will never see a sikh praying to any of the 10 gurus. We just consider it as the 11th guru. To explain this, let me quote what is said after Ardaas that is conducted multiple times in Gurudwaras and by sikhs around the world.

    ਆਗਿਆ ਭਈ ਅਕਾਲ ਕੀ ਤਬੀ ਚਲਾਇਓ ਪੰਥ ।
    ਸਭ ਸਿਖਨ ਕੋ ਹੁਕਮ ਹੈ ਗੁਰੂ ਮਾਨਿਯੋ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ।
    ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਜੀ ਮਾਨਿਯੋ ਪ੍ਗਟ ਗੁਰਾਂ ਕੀ ਦੇਹ ।
    ਜੋ ਪ੍ਭ ਕੋ ਮਿਲਬੋ ਚਹੈ ਖੋਜ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਮੈਂ ਲੇਹ । —–Ref ਪੰਥ ਪਰਕਾਸ਼ (Panth Parkash)
    Aagia Bhaee Akal Ki Tabi Chalaeo Panth.
    Sabh Sikhan Ko Hukam Hai Guru Manio Granth.
    Guru Granth Ji Maneo Pargat Guran Ki Deh.
    Jo Prabh Ko Milbo Chahai Khoj Sabd Main Leh.

    “Under orders of the Immortal Being, the Panth was created. All Sikhs are enjoined to accept the Granth as their Guru.
    Consider the Guru Granth as an embodiment of the Gurus.Those who want to meet God, can find Him in its hymns. The pure shall rule, and the impure will be no more, Those separated will unite and all the devotees of the Guru shall be saved.”

    Here we can see that god NOT the sri guru granth sahib had started the panth(faith/religion.sikhism)

    I urge you to read up on excerpts of shabads from the sri guru granth sahib. There is not even one war or love story in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib. It only contains the truth. The truth of every Sikh’s purpose on earth and constantly reminding sikhs on how we can merge with the guru.
    (Unlike the Bible)
    “The story of Rachel (Genesis 29, 30, 35:16-30)

    Rachel was the beautiful daughter of Laban, brother of Isaac’s wife Rebecca. Every afternoon when the heat of the day had passed, she watered her flock of sheep at a well near Haran, an outpost of the ancient city of Ur – see Map 1, Bible Maps. ”

    “Joshua 1:1 – 6:25

    Battle of Jericho”

    Writings of other faiths:
    As i mentioned sikhism is not exclusive we are inclusive. Christianity on the other hand believes that only Christians will be able to go to heaven/meet god.

    This is the reason why there are writings of scholars of different faiths. But i assure you there is not even one sentance in the guru granth sahib that is identical to any from the Baghvad Gita or the Quran or any other faith for that matter. As i mentioned earlier we believe that everyone is here to merge in with god,the creator. The reason why he cannot be described is because no amount of words or any type of description will be able to provide justice to Waheguru.

    Who told you that sikhism was created to find leagalism? All the gurus and saints were enlightened beings who wrote the different shabads in the sri guru granth shaib. The reason we dont cut our hair is because we accept the way god has created us, we accept it as perfect no changes need to be made when the perfect one himself has created us. We believe that no one calls himself saint or sinner, But rather we will be judged in the court of god.

    Japji Sahib:
    If out hands, feet or body become dirty (get covered with dirt and rubbish) they
    can be cleansed by water. If urine is spilt on a piece of cloth, and it gets fouled and is
    unfit for use in any kind of worship, then we rub it with soap and water, and free it from
    that impurity. In the same way the impressions of our sinful actions, which are made on
    our minds, can be washed away by meditating on the Divine name, with love and
    devotion.
    Righteousness and sinfulness are not mere names. They are the outcome of good
    or bad actions, which one does in the course of his daily life. Whatever action a man
    does, its impressions right or wrong, good or bad, are left on the mind. Just as we sow, so
    we reap.

    Thus sayeth Nanak we have to pass through the round of birth and rebirth under
    the Eternal Divine Law, without finding the haven of rest and peace.

    We believe that there are 8.4 million live forms and we’ve so called to put it in layman terms struck the lottery to get this human life. If we fail to merge with the guru, then our souls come and go in reincarnation. You might be asking in this case how about rapists, murderess do they have the light of god in them? Yes, the do.Everyone does, but this light needs to be activated via constant meditation and then merging with the guru.

    Japji sahib:

    “Aape Beej Aape Hee Khau”

    “As you sow,so you shall reap”

    The “rules” you mentioned help us to lead a life of the saints, a life that Waheguru wants us to lead. They are not rules nor are they compulsory. Sikhs rise at “amritvela”(early hours of the morning) because One falls asleep after a long day and it is a blessed person who through some inner strength can arise at such an hour out of ones cosy bed for the sake of remembrance of the Almighty, for which he or she is duly rewarded. At this time most people are in deep sleep and disturbances are at a minimum. The atmosphere is sacred because the vibrations of the mind involved in world matters are not emitted from the masses since they are in deep sleep. At this hour worldly thoughts, worries, anxieties, although not completely eliminated, are at a minimum.
    The mind is also a form of energy, the mind disappears in deep sleep. The atmosphere is not polluted by the radiations of worldly feelings and desires. At this time the disciple of the one true Lord will make an effort and arise. Their pure mental rays pervade all over the world and make this time sacred. Thus it becomes a congenial and encouraging atmosphere for the remembrance of God.

    It should be remembered that the Gurus did not believe in the practises of the Hindu religion and had issued various holy Shabads denouncing various Hindu practises like Sati, Purdah, Idol worship, etc. However, this had no bearing when it came to the decision to protect these Kashmiri Hindus – for the right of a person to freely practise their religion was considered to be predominant over their own personal beliefs and preferences.
    Guru Gobind Singh recorded his father’s martyrdom with these words:
    Theekar fore dilees sir, Prabh par kiyo payan,
    Tegh Bahadur si kriya, Kari na kinhoo aan.
    Tegh Bahadur ke chalat, Bhayo jagat main sog.
    Hai hai hai sab jag bhayo, Jai jai jai sur log.

    He burst the bonds of mortal clay
    And went on to the abode of God.
    No one ever performed an act as noble
    As did Tegh Bahadur.

    With the departure of Tegh Bahadur
    The world was stricken with sorrow.
    A wail of horror rent the earth,
    A victor’s welcome by the dwellers of heaven.

    Bichitra Natak

    Guru Ji had given up his own life so that hindus, in India could practise their faith freely.

    You mentioned in your earlier post that it is extremely difficult to get rid of the five vices. It’s not many others have done it, what is so difficult? These 5 vices help to make Sikhs a better person. When you’ve started meditating and can feel the vibration, you are motivated to merge with the guru.When you’ve focused your mind on something you’d work day and night to achieve it..

    The Kirpan:

    First and foremost it is essential to understand that the kripan is to be used only as A LAST RESORT. The Kirpan is to be used to defend our faith as well as the faith of others. Take the 9th guru, Guru Teg Bahadur Ji Maharaj. The sikh marital arts again are to defend ourselves when the need arises. If you are getting reped are you just going to stand there and cry for god to help you? no, in fact you are going to try your best to defend yourself.

    The three main pillars of sikhism are
    1. Naam Japna- Constantly remembering god and chanting the naam-the name of god.
    2. Kirat Karni- to honestly earn, with hard work, by one’s physical and mental effort
    3. Vand Chakna- to share what we have with the needy and the rest of the people.

    We believe that all of us are equal regardless of race,gender,sexuality,religion. We do not believe in any type of caste systems at all.

    Langar:

    Sikhism is the only religon that practices this.angar (Punjabi: ਲੰਗਰ) is the term used in the Sikh religion or in Punjab in general for common kitchen/canteen where food is served in a Gurdwara to all the visitors (without distinction of background) for free. At the langar, only vegetarian food is served, to ensure that all people, regardless of their dietary restrictions, can eat as equals. At the Langar (Kitchen), food is served to all visitors regardless of faith, religion or background. We all sit side by side and are all equal, a doctor may be sitting next to a driver but they are equal in the eyes of god as well as the sadh sangat.

    Sewa;

    Sewa means selfless service, this means that sikhs cut ingredients, cook , wash up all by volunteering. It is up to you to volunteer no one can force you to. This does not only happen in the Langar but in every part of the gurudwara.

    You’ve obviously displayed very little knowledge of the sikh faith. From what little you’ve learnt/known you’ve come to far flung conclusions. I urge you to be more inclusive. Christianity is not the only religion in the world. The least you can do is to respect other religions. I apologise if I’ve in any way unknowingly disrespected your religion. My religion teaches to love not hate and to respect all the different religions in the world for we believe we are all on the same path to merge and meet the creator who created us all, who we affectionately call Waheguru(GOD)

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