Documenting False Doctrines And The Charismatic Passivity Of What Is Counterfeit

Documenting False Doctrines And The Charismatic Passivity Of What Is Counterfeit 

        After watching the live stream of the Strange Fire conference held at Grace Community Church under the leadership of John MacArthur I have noticed some of the ridiculous and fallacious arguments (or accusations) that the Charismatic/Pentecostal/Mystical proponents are using on blogs and comments sections of reports about the conference.  I will mention one claim I have heard for many years about understanding truth from error. Or what a good Christian should focus on when knowing true theology. I even had a pastor use this type of argument on me when I was describing heretics or naming them off at a bible study we were having before I went to do a short term mission with his church. The argument is summed up like this:

“Stop worrying about who is a false teacher or what belief is false. Just focus on what is true. Do you know how the government figures out what money is real and what is counterfeit? They focus on the REAL money! They don’t study the counterfeit money to know what real currency looks like! So it is the same with the Christian faith! Don’t focus on what you think is false doctrine or counterfeit, focus on the truth or what is good in the bible!”

        Now there seems to be some valid point made in that kind of an argument. Yes it is very, very, very important to study real currency instead of only focusing on fraudulent bills produced by counterfeit money rings; because it is obvious you won’t know what real money looks like in all of its detail if you do not actually look at correct U.S. bills. The Secret Service obviously has spent a lot of time studying real money created by the U.S. Treasury. But it is simply not true to say that the Secret Service does not actually study fake bills or understand how they are made. They do! They study the techniques, materials, and ways such counterfeit bills are printed. Thew know past techniques, current techniques that are causing problems in our economy, as well as keep an eye out for future false bills with new techniques used in their creation. Also, not only do they find fake bills a lot, they also prosecute criminals who produce them and throw them in jail. They call them out and say, “You are under arrest for counterfeit money.” Then they go to court and are tried and put in jail. The fake currency is examined to be fake, then it is destroyed, and some is probably kept for future reference to document. This is obvious. Now if we truly use the Secret Service analogy to Christianity it would be a lot different than what many Charismatics or “open but cautious” people are explaining.

        Now applying this analogy about the reality of what is counterfeit and real to the Bible is much the same. It is simply not true that to really understand truth from error all you should do is study the bible itself and what is good in itself. No you must examine every doctrine that people claim and view them and compare them to the bible. So you actually DO have to look for, be aware of, figure out the techniques used to propagate such false teaching, and understand why it is false. You cannot just ignore them and only look for the true things someone has said. Just because someone is a liar does not mean they can never, or never will say something true. It is possible that people who lie or promote a false teaching also say what is true from time to time and mix truth with error. This is common sense.

        You should call counterfeit spirituality out to keep the church pure much like the Secret Service has to keep the economy full of pure and true dollar bills by separating the fake ones. Also, Christians should call out, document and punish heretics and false teachers by naming them and kicking them out of the church. The whole argument of being divisive is just illogical. The Secret Service cannot unite with false money or say “Hey lets not hurt peoples feelings by separating fake money and also reporting criminals.” No! They separate it and report criminals! So Christians if using such an analogy in a realistic way should also separate false teachings and false prophets and teachers who produce such teachings! This is common sense. You cannot avoid being divisive when it comes to counterfeit money and you most certainly should not worry about being divisive when it comes to false teachings that are counterfeit to what the bible teaches. I think any rational person would agree.

        The Bible is full of identifiable things, judgments, and divisions of truth from error. 1 Corinthians 11:19 talks about separation and identifiable things of who is a true believer and who is not. Paul wrote, “There must, indeed, be factions among you, so that the approved among you may be recognized.” This speaks to such a similar thing as today with the false miracles and supernatural occurrences (some demonic and others just fake). This is similar to the Secret Service dividing fake money from real money, and the true Church of Christ separating false believers and false teachings from what is truly found in the Bible.

        The Charismatic movement is notorious for producing counterfeit spiritual currency into the true Church of Jesus Christ and causing confusion. Such promoters of charismatic experiences use a similar argument as the counterfeit money argument. I saw a blog post by a charismatic who is viciously angry at John MacArthur that used this “counterfeit money” argument. Adrian Warnock said,

…surely spending my focus on highlighting the good things is a better use of my time? If people are taught to recognise (sic) real money by studying it, when fake currency turns up they will identify it in an instant.  I am surprised how much time some of these folks seems (sic) to spend hunting out increasingly bizzare (sic) YouTube videos. Surely building and declaring a true model of the Christian life is a better use of our time?

Notice how he is assuming we should never point out or look for false doctrines, and claiming that anyone who finds bizarre videos showing the charismatic blasphemies committed (that other self proclaimed “responsible charismatics” are not calling out) is behaving badly. The context of this quote was in response to John MacArthur stating at the conference that there has been no good out of charismatic faith and ministry. But it remains a fact that ignoring such evil behavior that has been displayed by obvious heretics, false prophets, demon possessed loons, and greedy charlatans is actually extremely detrimental to the cause of Christ. It is a far greater good to call out such people to repent, or kick them out of ministry, than simply trying hard not to hurt anyone’s feelings by trying not to be divisive. As John MacArthur states in the Strange Fire Conference “Truth in its very nature is divisive!”

        More Christians should keep to faithfully examining Scriptures while also scrutinizing and separating, as well as sometimes finding false teachers, calling them out and separating these counterfeits with their counterfeit spirituality and experiences, away from what is true. Also, to warn people of such wicked behavior and such wicked men who propagate such blasphemy and heresy! It is our Christian duty much as it is the Secret Service’s duty to separate counterfeit bills from real currency!

        I thank God that Grace Community Church had the Strange Fire Conference and I was encouraged by the Lord to know that there are still a multitude of people who do not embrace the charismatic and Pentecostal false beliefs and behaviors as well as the occult mysticism that has invaded evangelicalism. It is encouraging to know it is okay to call this heresy out and stand against it openly and not have to be quiet! Cessationism is biblical truth! The unfortunate thing is young people my age and younger want more experience, and entertainment and action instead of honest to God truth. The future looks bleak but at least there is an effort to fight it still today.

6 thoughts on “Documenting False Doctrines And The Charismatic Passivity Of What Is Counterfeit

  1. So this guy decided the sick no longer need to be healed after canonization of the scriptures and what scripture is that based off? No where i repeat no where in the bible GOdS LiViNG WROD does it say these things have stopped happening so why does this man claim so as if he has based it upon scripture it is not it is based upon hos experience or else he would of pointed out scripture that clearly suggest his statement is correct instead he just post the fact that it happened followed by his made up conclusion that it was to establish the church…. jesus establoshed the church miracles even jesus him self says you only seek me for miricles amd not for who i am,…. miracles occur in other religions by dark powers why would miricles establish truth and the church they happened because it was a result of a established church in jesus not to establish by this logic Satanism is established by demonic activity but we know that someone needs not to fully worship satan to be possesed or oppressed by demons it is just a truth that they desire to destroy the image beares of God…. so miricles or manifestations do not establish but sjow proof of however jesus needed not to do one miracle to establish him as the holy blameless son of God he didnt need to do one thing to prove himself he could of simply went to the cross and been crushed but miraculous works followed him as a result so his body on the earth reflecting his devine nature will surly produce the same results as his vessels and bride

    • You meant the bible commentary written as notes in that study bible written by carious bible scholars who have thouroly studied scripture more than you just made it up without even basing it on Scripture even when the notes were written exactly next to the scriptures they were commentating on? get real dude. The only one basing his beliefs on his own experience is you. Nothing you claim is from the bible. In my article I listed various verses that prove what I am saying is true about your beloved Tommy Green rockstar you love so much. News flash! HE DID NOT GO TO HEAVEN! HE IS FULL OF NONSENSE! JUST LIKE THE MOVIE “Heaven Is For Real.” Only delusional people believe that becuase they dont care to study the bible or know what is true. You are so deluded and prideful in your false doctrines you continue to waste your time arguing over it.

      Go heal some people right now and prove it or shut up.

      • “Prove it or shut up”
        How very Christ-like of you. Losing your temper like a child and telling someone to shut up is not a reflection of Jesus as far as I’m aware. And He’s right, nowhere in Scripture does it say that the Spirit’s work has ceased, so as opposed to your claim that people who believe the spirit is still working are believing extra-biblical doctrines, maybe it’s you who is believing such things.

        Why are you so shaken to your core by the thought of the Spirit actually moving in people and doing the things it did in the Bible?

        • Are you offended? Good. Do you honestly think Jesus never told people to shut up? He took a whip and beat up people with it. Read the Bible.

          No all of my beliefs are in the Bible. When you claim all of these mass healings that have no verification and claim visions and signs and special words of knowledge ou are adding to the Bible. Nothing in the Bible will verify it so you twist the Scriptures to force a meaning to look spiritual. You are all fake and following heresy. You seem experience and not solid truth.

          And yes the Bible does pretty much sum it up and say there are no more Apostles doing signs and miracles. If here were it would be ALL over the news, all over the internet and validated in the REAL world.

          Nobody is shaken up but you. So yes again, prove it or shut up.

          • I would like to ask, if you believe extra-biblical doctrine(s), why is it that you criticize others for doing the same?

            But please, unlike so many in the world and in the Church, I actually do have an open mind and I’m willing to let you change it if you can provide the scripture to back it up. I’m currently pursuing a degree in Biblical Studies so naturally, I have a lot of theological standpoints thrown my way and I’m expected to determine whichever I find to be the most truthful and biblically supported. And I’ve found that there’s very little that I can’t decide which side I agree with. I’m 100% open to my mind being changed back (I grew up holding viewpoints very similar to your own on such topics) if I can see scriptural proof that establishes that the Spirit no longer works. If there is no solid evidence, I believe we both can agree that the claim that the Spirit has stopped working in mankind is one that can’t be made. Because if anything starts, and never stopped, that must mean it continues, just based on logic.

            In hopes of speeding this up, a few of the verses I typically site in such debates as this are as follows:

            John 14:12 – “Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I am going to the Father.”

            This is verse can be deduced as to be discussing either great teachings, or such miracles, as it is a basic doctrine that nobody can redeem except for Jesus Himself, so this verse typically narrows it down to teaching and miracles such as the ones Jesus performed.

            1 Corinthians 12:4 -11, which I won’t post because it’s lengthy but I’m sure you are familiar with it. This verse clearly states that AT SOME POINT, followers of Jesus had the ability to pray, and speak prophecy, and distinguish between spirits.

            Romans 12:6 – “Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith”

            With this verse and the one in 1 Corinthians, it can be deduced that while Jesus may not have meant exclusively that miracles would be performed in John 14, they are obviously happening in Jesus’ name.

            Ephesians 4:11-13 – “And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all attain to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to mature manhood, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ” (What he “gave” in these verses are the gifts that he gave to men in verse 8)

            The stance is often taken that the miracles performed and spiritual gifts that the early church utilized were only granted until the church had been established. However, this verse from Ephesians specifies that these gifts were given “until we all attain to the unity of the faith” As we can tell by the state of the world today, we all have DEFINITELY not attained unity in the faith, and I believe that this moment will not come until the end of the Age, when all will know and witness that Jesus Christ is Lord, and He is the only path to Heaven.

            I believe this is a good time to clarify that I do not believe that the Holy Spirit’s power and the miracles that He can work are NOT obedient to the whims of man, and I do NOT believe that He is something which man can control. I believe that the Holy Spirit works in such ways when He desires to make Himself known to those witnessing. So I do not defend a faith in which the healing and prophesying is completely based on the humans, but when the Lord wants to do a work in the world, such as heal someone or inform someone of something. Consider, if you will, an atheist with an ailment is suddenly healed out of the blue (for whatever reason, I don’t and never will pretend to know the Lord’s plan), he may simply chalk it up to mankind’s evolved healing power. Or if the Lord wishes to establish an idea or thought in the very same man’s head, this man may take all of the credit for the idea/thought and continue on with his day. However, if the Lord desires for that man to come to know Him, He may use a Christian to pray for healing over the man or to impart wisdom to the man and state that it was given by God. This COULD be the Lord’s way of making himself known to the man.

            The stance is also taken that when Paul is speaking regarding prophecy, knowledge, and tongues in 1 Corinthians 13:8, he mentions that they will fall away and cease. However, in verse 9 he follows this up by saying that the partial (the aforementioned gifts) will fall away “when the perfect comes” He then further moves on to discuss the differences in the ways he acted and thought when he was a child as opposed to now that he is a man. This parallel with growing up and an increase in maturity mirror the shallowness with which we currently know God and the way we will know Him in Heaven. However, these works of the Spirit (prophecy, knowledge, tongues) are mankind’s way of establishing knowledge of Him currently, a more intimate relationship than simply the written word.

            These are just a few of the verses which I have been confronted with and have accepted as my theological standpoint on the matter. I look forward to hearing your response and discussing this as civil adults.

  2. “I would like to ask, if you believe extra-biblical doctrine(s), why is it that you criticize others for doing the same?”

    I apologize I misread your post as saying “NOT all of my beliefs are in the Bible” as opposed to you saying “NO all my beliefs are in the Bible”

    But that said, I would like to keep this civil and informative and avoid insults and name-calling of any sort. I’m here to inform or be informed, whichever our discussion heeds. Any anger or overt-pride proves nothing but a lack of evidence in my eyes, so I ask that you try to keep this purely informative as I try my best to do the same.

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