Some of his arguments were:
· If logic did not exist, what logical steps did God use to create the universe?
· If knowledge did not exist, then what knowledge did God use to make it exist and create it?
· If reasoning did not exist, what reason did God have to create anything?
· If critical thinking did not exist, what critical thinking skills did god use determine (sic) that he needed to create a universe?
· If perfection did not exist before, what made him perfect?
These arguments assume way too much. They assume that none of those things existed in God, and that everything had to be created to exist. Christians believe that God was not created and exists because He is eternal. Christians also believe that God’s nature consists of all of those things and without God none of those things would be understood.
My response to this Atheist’s assumptions are that God’s nature is logic, knowledge, reasoning, critical thinking, and perfection. That is who He is. He consists of all of those things. God is intelligence and order. He is rationality. All of the created things that exist teach us about God and who He is and His nature, and of course the Bible is the perfect teaching of God explained. Science and mathematics only speak of God’s working in the universe and how things are in order and in place. God is also moral. This is why there is a moral law in the universe that everyone understands. Stealing is wrong, lying is wrong, murder is wrong etc. God eternally existed in His nature and did not have to create His own nature. This is obvious.
The Atheist thinks he has destroyed God with his absurdity. So what is logic and what is reasoning then? Was it created or did it evolve? Or is it eternal? Where did this intelligence exist outside of intelligent beings? Where did logic come from? Where did reasoning come from? Oh he thinks it evolved I bet…from what? Primordial slime? Where did that come from? Nothing? So Nothing now has intelligence to create intelligence? The Great Eternal Nothing caused the Universe? This is absurd!
He also stated:
“I will present another argument in this format: 1) Anything that exists occupies space and time. 2) God does not occupy space and time. 3) Therefore God does not exist.”
Was he serious with that one? I guess so…His premises are false. The logical conclusion to his argument would be:
His thoughts do not occupy space and time, therefore his thoughts do not exist.
Logic does not occupy space and time, therefore logic does not exist.
Mathematics do not occupy space and time, therefore mathematics do not exist.
Philosophy does not occupy space and time, therefore philosophy does not exist.
Imagination does not occupy space and time, therefore philosophy does not exist.
Beliefs do not occupy space and time, therefore his beliefs do not exist.
Morality does not occupy space and time, therefore morality does not exist.
Immorality does not occupy space and time, therefore immorality does not exist.
Atheism does not occupy space and time, therefore Atheism does not exist.
Nothing does not occupy space and time, therefore nothing does not exist (Wait what? You just blew my mind! Existence itself does not exist? What exists does not exist!?).
See how absurd this reasoning is? It makes no sense.
What about people who died? Did they ever really exist? By this logic anything that does not (which could apply to no longer) take up space and time does not exist. George Washington does not take up space and time, therefore he never existed therefore he is just in our imagination (wait imagination does not exist either because it does not occupy time and space). All that exists is right now. There is no past or future just now. This would be very absurd but that is how his logic ends up. But then he might say that since George Washington had bones and flesh, it decomposed and turned into other types of material things in the universe such as gases, dust…etc. Then how could he prove it?
Magnetic fields do not occupy space, but we see its effects and power in the universe. There are other things in the universe that exist which are invisible or are not something that occupy physical space but are very real. Likewise, God exists outside of time, does not have to occupy physical space, yet he actively works inside of time and space while still being eternal because He is everywhere present.
God is spirit and invisible and is everywhere present. He does not have to be a physical thing to exist. He exists outside of the physical realm, the realm he created. This is why God is not a material created physical being, but a supernatural (beyond nature and the universe, completely “other” than what is natural) BEING that is ETERNAL.
At some point in history all things lead to a beginning that was caused. The illogical believes nothing created everything. The cause for the universe was nothing…yeah that makes sense. No, actually it does not.